Not trying to exaggerate anything, I made a mistake sorry.
 
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Did you check out Celemony's Capstan product?
 
Price: 
US$4,458
20 megabyte app
 
Cel your house, cel your kids, cel your wife to get the mony... :)

not a big deal.  Text has an awful way of not properly conveying mood.  I was just giving you a hard time since you seem very passionate about this. 

You can undo any type of edit to any note by right clicking it and selecting reset parameter.

You gotta learn it from start to finish otherwise there will always be unanswered questions or you won't be getting adequate ROI. The product is deceptively simple. Ta.

RexRed
Did you check out Celemony's Capstan product?
 
Price: 
US$4,458
20 megabyte app

Here's the equation...
 
Lots of money spent on R&D / extremely small user base = high cost per unit
 
For archiving companies that have priceless audio stored on tape that suffers from the problems Capstan addresses, they will be more than happy to pay that price because nothing else exists that will solve their problem. There aren't enough companies who need a product like that to amortize the R&D over a larger number of units sold.
 
Oh, and since I'm here...thanks to those who followed the links and commented favorably on my music. All done with Sonar and amp sims, of course ;-)

The other thing about Capstan is that you can rent it for a few days instead of buying it, which is what I gather most of its users do.

Anderton

RexRed
Did you check out Celemony's Capstan product?
 
Price: 
US$4,458
20 megabyte app

Here's the equation...
 
Lots of money spent on R&D / extremely small user base = high cost per unit
 
For archiving companies that have priceless audio stored on tape that suffers from the problems Capstan addresses, they will be more than happy to pay that price because nothing else exists that will solve their problem. There aren't enough companies who need a product like that to amortize the R&D over a larger number of units sold.
 
Oh, and since I'm here...thanks to those who followed the links and commented favorably on my music. All done with Sonar and amp sims, of course ;-)

I still think Capstan is overpriced for a 20mb app but I do understand and concede your main points. I definitely don't think Melodyne editor is worth $349.00. I know of app developers who offer that much programming 20mb for free in the Android app store.
 
Even at 200 dollars I do not think melodyne is worth "me" buying due to the points I have brought up here already. I think 200 is a fair price for Melodyne editor.
 
And if Melodyne editor is such an industry standard with "millions of users" why has that not brought the price down to something reasonable? (If your equation is valid).
 
Capstan = limited users, melodyne = many users (According to Alex, millions) but still the Melodyne app is ridiculously priced at $350.00. Maybe it has been pirated too much, if that is the case I would be willing to rethink the pricing but not the overall usability of Melodyne. 350 bucks times a million? 350 million should be able to provide a more stable user friendly app.
 
For 150 bucks more I can buy Cakewalk Producer with "30 years" of the world's finest programming under the hood, gigs of "industry standard" samples and loops, 27 total FX, and 12 instruments, each instrument represents the same amount (if not more) programming than went into creating Melodyne.
 
Maybe someday Melodyne will be worth what its current price is but I am not seeing its intrinsic value when V-vocal, a program that has not been developed "much" in many years still, to me, rivals Melodyne in its basic editing user experience.
 
I hope Melodyne editor is improved and can become reasonably priced 'til then for me, it is not a "buy".
 
In my filing cabinet I have my full version of Sonar X2 professional with V-vocal and my X3 upgrade files on a spare hard drive and online also. As long as X3 and Windows 7 works with existing CPU hardware I will be fine with V-vocal.. Plus I have a 200 dollar version of Windows 7 64bit Home Premium with my Sonar X3 installation files. I don't think V-vocal is going away or "dying" soon for me.
 
BTW I just updated my ATI driver with a new Catalyst release (beta) this month and V-vocal is 90% more stable for me now.
 
I will still keep trying subsequent versions of Melodyne and see if any of my gripes are fixed.
 
My major gripe right now is not being able to sculpt pitch (and formant which I use a lot) like I can in v-vocal and having to chop up notes. Having to pay a 350 dollar upgrade just for volume control is not worth it. Also no vertical grid lines is like working in the dark. V-Vocal at least has 1/4 note vertical grid lines for precise wave alignment...
 
The Melodyne "boxes" are just as clunky and cumbersome as the Melodyne interface. I like the blue background in v-vocal it is good for my tastes.
 
I do like the transient feature of Melodyne that V-vocal does not have but it is t still not a buying point for me. The harmony feature is nice too but I prefer to sing my own harmonies and even if I had that feature I would probably not use it.  
And splitting chords up with melodyne does not work very well anyway.
 
I do like the wave to midi feature but that comes with essential. I can see myself using that handy feature.
 
Having to close the Melodyne welcome box is a distraction and a hassle, in the olden days of computing that was called a "nag screen". Pay 350 bucks to get nagged each time you open a wave, not cool...
 
I will be watching Melodyne and when it does come up to my standards I will one day probably buy it.
My advice is stop adding new ridiculous features and start improve the existing features. 
 
You have added a harmony generator but no grid lines, point in fact The emperor has no clothes.
 
My friendly message to Cakewalk is please acquire V-vocal (at any cost) if Roland has no use for it anymore.
 
I don't think integrating Melodyne "too deeply" into Cakewalk is currently the best plan for offering pitch manipulation options...
 
Thanks Sander for the tip about undoing notes in Melodyne, unfortunately that also has been stripped and is only a function of the editor version.

RexRed
I still think Capstan is overpriced for a 20mb app but I do understand and concede your main points. I definitely don't think Melodyne editor is worth $349.00. I know of app developers who offer that much programming 20mb for free in the Android app store.

 
The skill required for programming is not measured in megabytes. The Sonar X2 executable is 19.2 megabytes. Some would argue that it's actually much more difficult to create a program that is both highly functional and "lean" enough to be highly efficient.
 

And if Melodyne editor is such an industry standard with "millions of users" why has that not brought the price down to something reasonable? (If your equation is valid). 350 bucks times a million? 350 million should be able to provide a more stable user friendly app.

 
My equation is valid. $350MM values a tiny company in Southern Germany at almost twice all of Fender Corporation's global valuation, based on their withdrawn 2012 IPO. Enough said.
 

For 150 bucks more I can buy Cakewalk Producer with "30 years" of the world's finest programming under the hood, gigs of "industry standard" samples and loops, 27 total FX, and 12 instruments, each instrument represents the same amount (if not more) programming than went into creating Melodyne.

 
But Cakewalk's older IP has been amortized over many years, many purchasers, and many versions...besides, how do you know that something like Session Drummer or RXP required programming chops equal to Melodyne? Although I'm very happy you recognize the effort that goes into creating the components that make up Cakewalk's entire package (not everyone does), programming polyphonic pitch detection is not trivial. Companies have tried for years without success, and when Melodyne was first introduced with polyphonic capabilities, several pundits thought it would never reach the market because what they were attempting was "impossible."
 

 My major gripe right now is not being able to sculpt pitch (and formant which I use a lot) like I can in v-vocal and having to chop up notes.

 
I can't imagine wanting to change formant midway through a note, although of course there are many possible use cases. With V-Vocal, I always used the formant pencil tool to make a change for an entire note. Ditto pitch, so doing either in Melodyne is not a stretch for me.
 
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Having to close the Melodyne welcome box is a distraction and a hassle, in the olden days of computing that was called a "nag screen". Pay 350 bucks to get nagged each time you open a wave, not cool...

 
 
Uncheck "show welcome screen at startup" (or whatever it says - I unchecked it so I'm not sure exactly what it says).
 

You have added a harmony generator but no grid lines, point in fact The emperor has no clothes.

 
You can snap to a grid, but I always turn it off and adjust by ear anyway. I did the same with V-Vocal.
 

My friendly message to Cakewalk is please acquire V-vocal (at any cost) if Roland has no use for it anymore.

 
It's not just the cost of purchase, it's the cost of updating, maintenance, support, and (presumably) conversion to 64-bit operation. By the time those things are out of the way, Melodyne will probably be on version 12, you would have bought it, and you wouldn't care about V-Vocal any more. 
 

I don't think integrating Melodyne "too deeply" into Cakewalk is currently the best plan for offering pitch manipulation options...

 
The ARA protocol has more applications than pitch correction. Most companies recognize the value of this protocol and I suspect that Sonar and Studio One Pro being the only DAWs that support ARA will end (much) sooner rather than later.
 
 

I can't see a small company like cakewalk buying a product that was never deemed marketable enough to sale on a wide scale. If Cakewalk ditches Melodyne I think it is reasonable to assume it would be for a program that is newer or in more common use like Autotune. Especially since the demand seems to so far come from one person. I doubt groovesynth or rmix return to Sonar either in updated versions although I kind of like rmix.

And please don't get me wrong..if you adore V-Vocal, that's fine with me. I'm just trying to correct misinformation so people can make decisions based on the reality of the program and the company that produces it, not speculation or a lack of understanding of particular aspects of the program.