codamedia
V-Vocal is the "XP" of pitch correction

 
Quote of the month!

 

Fun discussion, and I've been in this place before, myself. So, here's my take. V-Vocal probably is End Of Life because of x-reason. Some products are useful far beyond the end of their lives, so we can continue to use them until something better comes along. However, I have two suggestions:
 
1) In my sessions, if I need pitch correction, it's likely because I didn't catch the bad notes or bad pitch, but my needs are routinely minimal. Melodyne works pretty well in those cases for me.
2) Another suggestion is to inform Melodyne what you sincerely believe V-Vocal does better. I'm sure if they know V-Vocal is going away, they'd do what they could to improve their own product with less worry of patent infringement (especially if CW owns/owned V-Vocal).

RexRed
I would suggest Cakewalk developers reconsider NOT dumping V-vocal so fast. Bring V-vocal back and develop it, add Melodyne's extra features to V-vocal not the other way around. V-Vocal is a rock solid (a little buggy) foundation for wave editing.

 
In the  Community Forum, where I posted a couple of multi-track songs using Melodyne Essential, people are telling  me  that, unless one really knows all of its "ins and outs"  Melodyne can make an otherwise good recording sound terrible. I mostly agree! Your experience underscores that premise.  I started into this (call it a) hobby using Sonar X3 in Feb 2014.  Consequently V-Vocal is not here for me.  Is there a way I can get it?  I'd like to be able to play around with it just for  experimentation.   
 

You'll find that you have to work within the limitations of either one. Different pitch correction programs have quantitative, not qualitative, differences.

cpkoch
In the  Community Forum, where I posted a couple of multi-track songs using Melodyne Essential, people are telling  me  that, unless one really knows all of its "ins and outs"  Melodyne can make an otherwise good recording sound terrible. I mostly agree! Your experience underscores that premise.  I started into this (call it a) hobby using Sonar X3 in Feb 2014.  Consequently V-Vocal is not here for me.  Is there a way I can get it?  I'd like to be able to play around with it just for  experimentation.   

V-Vocal came packaged with previous versions of SONAR leading up to X3. I believe you need one of the core programs with V-Vocal loaded (i.e. that version of SONAR, just the core program). HUGE caution here - installing SONAR versions out of order requires knowledge of how to do so... and may cause you more grief than gain. Please read my post in your other thread before you are enticed by another goodie (which also requires more learning).
 
IMO, for what you are trying to achieve, Melodyne is perfectly adequate, and is a program which is still being actively developed. As you have never used V-Vocal (and it is end-of-life), it would be a more prudent use of your time to master Melodyne than spread yourself between two programs.

cpkoch

RexRed
I would suggest Cakewalk developers reconsider NOT dumping V-vocal so fast. Bring V-vocal back and develop it, add Melodyne's extra features to V-vocal not the other way around. V-Vocal is a rock solid (a little buggy) foundation for wave editing.

 
In the  Community Forum, where I posted a couple of multi-track songs using Melodyne Essential, people are telling  me  that, unless one really knows all of its "ins and outs"  Melodyne can make an otherwise good recording sound terrible. I mostly agree! Your experience underscores that premise.  I started into this (call it a) hobby using Sonar X3 in Feb 2014.  Consequently V-Vocal is not here for me.  Is there a way I can get it?  I'd like to be able to play around with it just for  experimentation.   

 
Sometimes people will sell Sonar with a valid license on eBay. Not legit according to CW support, but if all you need is V-Vocal in X3 then it's probably not going to be a big issue for you.
 
I picked up an X2 upgrade (from X1) as NOS - a retailer had it left over in their store after X3 was released and sold it at a greatly reduced price. Again, I found that deal on eBay.

Thanks Ruben.  I did a similar thing when I was trying to get  Sony's Vegas Pro and bought version 11 for a huge amount less than the current-year model!   
 
As I recall from responses to a message I posted last month  (or so) V-Vocal was also said to be used for the Formant Scaling that  ostensibly was necessary to make transposed tracks sound more authentic. Since V-Vocal is not part of the X3 package Formant Scaling has been erroneously retained as a feature ... however, a feature that can not be implemented unless one has access to V-Vocal.
 
I have largely given up on trying to do much more than a couple of semi-tones transpositions.  I will likely adhere to mettelus's  caution and concentrate on honing my skills on Melodyne.  

cpkoch
 
As I recall from responses to a message I posted last month  (or so) V-Vocal was also said to be used for the Formant Scaling that  ostensibly was necessary to make transposed tracks sound more authentic. Since V-Vocal is not part of the X3 package Formant Scaling has been erroneously retained as a feature ... however, a feature that can not be implemented unless one has access to V-Vocal.
 
 

Please do not confuse V-Vocal with other features that have been lost moving from 32bit to 64bit. Formant scaling in the Transpose dialog has nothing to do with V-Vocal. It calls a 32bit library which was not ported to 64bit SONAR. See the explanation here http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3042774

cpkoch
I have largely given up on trying to do much more than a couple of semi-tones transpositions.

Just as noise reduction is most effective with signals that don't have much noise, pitch correction is most effective with signals that don't require much pitch correction.

scook
Formant scaling in the Transpose dialog has nothing to do with V-Vocal. It calls a 32bit library which was not ported to 64bit SONAR.

The library was created by Prosoniq, who did not upgrade it to 64 bits. Prosoniq's IP was acquired recently by Zynaptiq, but I doubt one of their priorities is upgrading 32-bit OEM libraries.