CakeAlexS
There is the pitch modulation tool that alters vibrato in melodyne editor. Ta.

If you're referring to my post, I was talking about the LFO vibrato in V-Vocal where you could flat-line pitch and then superimpose periodic vibrato with variable fade-in...like a synth. I don't think there's a way to do that with Melodyne. If there is, hopefully someone can clue me in.

Bristol_Jonesey

robert_e_bone
As is the usual case, nine pages of content have not budged anybody's opinion whatsoever, go figure.
 
The choices, in general terms, remain:
 
1.  Retain and use V-Vocal for vocal manipulation
2.  Retain and use some combination of V-Vocal and Melodyne, where appropriate for a given project.
3.  Retain V-Vocal but learn and rely on Melodyne.
4.  Dump V-Vocal and learn and only use Melodyne.
5.  Add many more pages to this thread, leaving no time to use either V-Vocal or Melodyne.
6.  Take singing lessons.
 
I think that about sums up the general options.
 
Bob Bone
 

That puts me firmly in the 2. camp 

 
I'm in the #2 "camp as well..

Anderton
I stuck with V-Vocal because it worked and I didn't want to have to learn something new. However, I must admit that all changed when I upgraded to Melodyne Editor, which I find way better than V-Vocal or Melodyne Essential. There are two workarounds for things I miss from V-Vocal:
 
1. The pencil tool. If I cut the blob into smaller pieces, the pitch modulation tool can do pretty much the same fixes for which I used the pencil tool, and the sound quality is better.
2. LFO vibrato. After rendering the clip I insert the Sonitus modulator in the FX bin, dial up a vibrato patch, and apply as needed.

Thanks Craig!
 
This is another in a long line of helpful hints from you, you've got to write a book with all of these hints in it. I'd be among the first to purchase it!

As a newcomer that never got to try VVocal, I am quite happy with Melodyne. In fact the realization that such a thing as melodyne exists and seeing what it can do was maybe the biggest "wth?" moment I had when I entered this brave new world of homerecording (my previous experience stopped 15 years ago with a 4-track cassette recorder).
Still after reading this thread I have to say it is unfortunate that Cakewalk was unable to keept the legacy version of VVocal available to new users - much like they still offer rather vintage softsynths.

RexRed
I just wanted the powers that be to know I cannot make my music with Melodyne as it is. The way V-vocal stretches audio I could not imagine not having that feature.
 
My music would totally suffer without V-vocal, V-vocal preserves my music's fidelity while offering powerful, accurate and a quick full range of easy to use editing tools.
 
I would suggest Cakewalk developers reconsider NOT dumping V-vocal so fast. Bring V-vocal back and develop it, add Melodyne's extra features to V-vocal not the other way around. V-Vocal is a rock solid (a little buggy) foundation for wave editing.

I completely agree with you. Been using Sonar and predecessors for over 20 year now, and VVOCAL for about 10 years. It was the main reason why I never considered switching to another platform for so may years. Tried to force myself to use Melodyne several times but I never got the same quality and workflow out of it. There are some things I just can't get right with Melodyne. VVocal has been a great on the other hand, besides a few crashes here and there. If Gibson bought Cakewalk from Roland why exclude that well established part of the software??! It wasn't third party. Melodyne on the other hand is third party.
 
Oh well... Just wanted to lend my support. For now I have X3 with X2 in the background only to keep VVocal available.
 
Jaye
 
 

I too used V-Vocal for many years and was reluctant to switch. IMHO if you don't take stability issues into account, V-Vocal is a more capable program than Melodyne Essential. However, Melodyne Editor is superior to V-Vocal in multiple ways; I still have V-Vocal on my system, but haven't used it once since upgrading to Melodyne Editor. One issue is that V-Vocal came "free" (well not really, there were licensing fees passed along to the consumer) while Editor is a paid upgrade (typically $150). 
 
However, this is all moot because V-Vocal is a 32-bit [not correct - see next post] DirectX plug-in, a standard which Microsoft seems to have lost all interest in years ago. Although some companies, like Cakewalk and Sony, still support DirectX many (if not most) hosts have dropped support. It is a zombie format; fortunately, Cakewalk has VST versions of the stalwart Sonitus effects in case Windows 11 or 12 or whatever can't deal with DirectX any more.
 
Roland, which owns the V-Vocal intellectual property, has no plans I know of to update the software (which has remained unchanged for IIRC around eight years). If Cakewalk bought those rights and committed the resources to re-write V-Vocal from scratch as a VST plug-in optimized for 64-bit systems, I would not be surprised if amortizing that expense would add more to the cost of Sonar than an upgrade to Melodyne Editor. Furthermore, pitch correction is not a unique feature. Consumers can choose from Antares, Waves, iZotope, Melodyne, and others. It would make little sense to spend time developing something equal to the capabilities of those programs instead of developing unique Sonar features.
 
 

Anderton
 V-Vocal is a 32-bit DirectX plug-in

If this were the case, it would not run in 64bit SONAR. In order for DirectX plug-ins to run in 64bit hosts the plug-ins must be 64bit. 32bit DirectX plug-ins are not available in 64bit hosts. The only way I know to use 32bit DirectX plug-ins in a 64bit host is with a DX-to-VST wrapper in a VST bridge. V-Vocal and the other DirectX plug-ins installed with 64bit SONAR do not load in BitBridge.

I made a correction to the original post. Sorry 'bout that.

I thought the V-Vocal issue was pretty thoroughly covered. The plug-in was made in Japan by Roland. It was not part of the sale Cakewalk to Gibson. I believe R-Mix fell into the same category. The plug-ins were examples of Roland using some of their existing technology to extend another product, SONAR. The technology is still used in other Roland products.

IMHO Roland always treated Cakewalk more like a mistress than a wife. When times were good it lavished Cakewalk with gifts and played the part of couple but never made an honest woman of her. In the end it become abundantly clear that Cakewalk was a fling. An enjoyable fling with some occasional affection, but alimony wasn't happening. The fact that products like R-mix were temporarily licensed like a third party always seemed kind of telling to me. Some of the perks of there affair became impractical when it was done. V-vocal was one of them. Would you really lease your love shack to your ex-mistress? V-vocal as a product is dead but some of the technology is used in other products, so I doubt selling the source code is an option.