It does not really matter to me what others use to tune their music with, millions of people use Auto Tune too. I have V-vocal up and running and when I tune my vocals they still sound alive rather than DOA and sounding like they have been hit by a bus.
 
As long as I don't open Melodyne my wave form display will not disappear in V-vocal. Another Melodyne bug...
 
My wave form display has NEVER once "disappeared" in Cakewalk's V-vocal 'til I started trying out Melodyne again.
 
I open and use Melodyne then I open V-Vocal and my waveform in V-vocal is "gone".
 
If I close Melodyne and reopen my project, my waveform in V-vocal is back.
Instead of saying what everyone else is using perhaps you should try actually using these programs on daily basis then you might sing a different tune...
 

RexRed
Okay CakeALex
 
Let's Examine this Melodyne program that millions of "professionals" are using.
 
Millions of them (professionals) also agree that Melodyne is "buggy". How buggy smarty pants? That even "Glee" is built around it?
 
I have Sonar X3 with the latest update, running on a quad core 64 bit Windows 7 machine.
 
My Sonar is a fairly stable installation. The other night I was giving Melodyne one more faithful try... 
 
I am an "amateur" too who was using Cakewalk for Dos probably before you were even born.
 
Melodyne locked up. Nothing unusual about that it has been locking up since I first tried the the pro stand alone plugin when it first became a "fad"...
 
The odd thing about this lock up is that I out of a knee jerk reaction hit ctrl S (That is the hotkey for saving the project) in case you did not know.
 
The project attempted to save and the progress bar moved across where the now time is. It got halfway across and froze...
 
The last time that happened it corrupted an entire file and I lost days of work. This prompted me to start a saving my projects periodically with new names long ago.
 
But it is behavior like that that corrupts projects.
 
I don't care if there are ten million people using Melodyne it is a fad, just like there at ten million views on twerking videos BUT when a video is posted on YouTube that a trillion dollars had gone "missing" at the federal reserve and there are only a few thousand people who even care to watch it. Deal with it...
 

HA, HA!!!!

Assumptions again. I've been using computers before DOS was even popular. Look up ZX80, and Commodore Pet... I was also in professional recording studios from the 80's not that it makes me more qualified to talk about voice altering software but if that works for you on the smartypants scale then fine..

I have never heard of melodyne corrupting projects to be honest but of course you should back up. If you have steps to repro then give them. Then again I'm confused 'like' corrupting projects is not corrupting projects.

When using melodyne I clone the track first and work on the cloned track. Then I bounce it down to another track and archive off the old tracks. I would probably do the same with vvocal. My saving process sounds pretty similar to yours.

There is an auto update feature with melodyne, perhaps check you are running the latest. If it is regularly locking up for you I'd be looking for a solution to fix this elsewhere as it is certainly NOT normal behaviour from my experience. Perhaps change your methodology like splitting up regionFX clips into smaller pieces.

In terms of this 'fad' go and have a look at the top 100 albums being sold of new material. I suspect 90%+ use it. I personally know 3 professional producers you may of heard of who use it religiously. If you heard the albums you would never know (unless it was being used as an effect). Even Bowie uses it.

> "Millions of them (professionals) also agree that Melodyne is "buggy""

Did you speak to them then or is this just another assumption? Sources?

You also seem to assume I don't use Melodyne regularly. Are you bugging my studio?

Why complain now about something that happened 7 months ago when X3 was released.

I should have mentioned that i upgraded to editor almost immediately.  If memory serves me correctly, however, the biggest difference is the ability to do polyphonic work.  
 
Melodyne corrects as subtly as you like, and more transparently than vvocal (because of the phasing issues).  Although melodyne is less flexible in several ways, it's designed the way it is to corrrect in thee most realistic and transparent way possible.  This it does well.  The one area that vvocal beats it is in it's ability to draw straight lines and do crazy, radical changes.   both do timing adjustments equally well.   vvocal "could been a contender" if it's phasing issue was resolved.  also it was a constant source of instability on my system(s).

BTW if your waveform display is regularly disappearing (in Sonar? You are not clear here) you should delete your picture cache. If you are blaming Melodyne for a waveform display in vvocal(?), that seems to be way off centre. Melodyne does not have a telepathic link with it. Consider updating your graphics card drivers as well in case this is a refresh issue. Running Windows update a few times might be worth a go as well with all your crashing issues.

I strongly recommend the melodyne tutorial link I gave you, I think you need a deeper understanding of the product if you aren't getting satisfactory results.

Okay CakeAlex I was using master tracks for a Commodore 64.
 
And syncing FSK (A homemade box a friend and I made the circuit board ourselves) to a Fostex 80 and recording my Commodore 64 tracks to it. I also had a TSR 80 Radio Shack computer that I mostly used for games. I have a couple hundred tunes with many tracks and I did them all in my own studio including playing and editing all but a couple tracks. I also have fifteen thousand Twitter followers, twenty thousand Tagged followers, five thousand Google plus followers and a thousand five hundred intimate Facebook followers.etc.
 
Google the words melodyne buggy and you will find 159,000 results
Google the words  melodyne freezes and you will find 977,000 results
Google the words melodyne crashes can you will find 98,200 results  
 
Then Google the word Melodyne and you will only get 422,000 results, not millions...
Google the word "v-vocal" and you get 122,000 results
 
Google the word autotune and you will get 6,420,000 results
 
Does that mean autotune is a better program than both V-vocal and Melodyne?
And I have never had "autotune" crash on me either. 
 
getting the drift here? 
 
Oh and there is this...
Melodyne Crashes - how I envy you other guys who say it works fine...
http://forum.cakewalk.com...rks-fine-m2428190.aspx
 
Considering I have spent over a thousand hours in v-vocal it does kinda make me an expert on the program and how it works.
 
It also gives me the golden ear to tell when another tune program is not cutting the mustard.
 
And NOW you know a producer who DOESN'T use melodyne...
 
I am not saying melodyne is useless nor am i saying it will never be fixed. But as of the other night it is still just a buggy as it was when I first tried it. And I am not happy with the way its tune works nor the clunky interface that is near impossible to use. And you say use it on smaller clips, well that is another SERIOUS drawback of melodyne. V-vocal also has a clip size limit. But I can usually fit an entire track full of lead vocals in it thought i prefer to break a lead vocal track in half or thirds. And by the time I am finished editing the V-vocal session is usually not so corrupted that I lose hours worth of work. There is also an advantage of seeing more of your vocal in one V-vocal session so you can see relative volumes of vocal words and phrases.
 
I am not just saying this to hear myself type, I have lost work in melodyne so often that it is not worthwhile using the program when V-vocal does a better job at TUNING and is actually MORE stable. 
 
I also checked after the crash, the other night to see if it was updated and it is. I also don't have to buy the, err, "pro version" of V-vocal... To get the full functionality of v-vocal.And there are things v-vocal does that melodyne does not, not even the pro version. That kinda concludes it... 
 
Take my advice for what it is worth. I am all set myself with a working version of V-vocal, (in fact while I have been here writing this I was taking breaks from this forum and edited three very long vocal tracks effortlessly and without a single glitch in V-vocal)  and if Cakewalk programmers are reading this, please take this post as being presented with the best of intentions. THANKS

Yeah?  Well, I invented ELECTRICITY :)
 
Seriously, can we stop marking scent on all the bushes????
 
I don't want to know who's got the bigger hard drive.
 
The OP does not care for Melodyne - fine - cool.  Continue with V-Vocal - no problem, enjoy.
 
How about moving on now?
 
Bob Bone
 

The reality is this: V-Vocal has its merits, but is a Roland product based on proprietary Roland technology. It has not been updated in years, and apparently, never will be. It (and other third party plugins) constitute the majority of Sonar support issues. In short, sooner or later V-Vocal will become unuseable, whereas Melodyne will continue to be developed, improved, and patched to be compatible with future operating systems.

I still use V-Vocal, although admittedly less and less as I learn how to use Melodyne Editor. I suspect when I've finished the Melodyne Editor learning curve, I won't be using V-Vocal...although I didn't feel the same way about the basic Melodyne version.

Feel free to keep using VV as long as you can, but be aware that it is hitting end-of-life and Roland does not seem interested in pursuing it.

Bring on Montey python.

Google 'cakewalk is made by aliens'... See I told you so..... Evidence!!!! A link from 2011 using a version of Cakewalk that didn't even have regionFX or melodyne bundled then really does not cut the mustard. I said with the latest version... Anyway...

I still don't understand why you are targeting Cakewalk programmers, vvocal is owned by Roland.

Oh I did make some recommendations earlier.... Choose to take them or not.

I suggest you keep using your old copy of vvocal for ever. You are clearly the vvocal god I bow to your almighty god like experience and superior intellect. Vvocal is probably nicer and far better looking than my girlfriend and will probably reduce starvation across the world. Surely you can't argue with that?

BTW I am Jesus and a part time super agent cowboy astronaut.

Ta