webbs hill studio
i guess what i am trying to say is are there VV/ME equivalents for guitar,bass,horns etc?

 
Well for guitar, bass, and keyboards, the music is hard-quantized to semitones so that's definitely pitch correction
 
Pitch correction is like any production tool - you can use it, or abuse it. When you've cut an inspired vocal but one of the notes in the middle of a complex run is flat, why drag down the session and re-cut another vocal, hoping you'll get something as good, when you can just dive in, fix that one note, and get on with the session?

 
 
 
Pitch correction is like any production tool - you can use it, or abuse it. When you've cut an inspired vocal but one of the notes in the middle of a complex run is flat, why drag down the session and re-cut another vocal, hoping you'll get something as good, when you can just dive in, fix that one note, and get on with the session?




that`s an excellent point-especially if time and budget are limited and as you say,why drag down the whole session.
usually,in my environment, the offender knows they have hit a bummer and request another take and it`s not unusual to have 3 or 4 takes to get it right and of course there is the ability to overdub later if necessary and if the band is tight enough,substitute the vocal take from a previous version.
 
thanks for the insight-I have very little knowledge of how a commercial,ie:professional studio runs and just plod along so I guess I will take your advice,get ME Editor and save myself and the singer(s) a lot of time and unnecessary  takes.
cheers
tony
 

One more point of interest. My vocals have improved dramatically since Melodyne became part of SONAR, but not because it fixes pitch; I could do that before with punching. The difference is I'm not obsessing over the pitch or being extra-careful about it when singing, I'm concentrating on the performance and enjoying myself, because I know if I hit a bad note or two, I can fix it later. But the real irony is that is my vocals have gotten more accurate because I'm not worrying about being accurate! 

I thought i would give an update, I have officially become a convert to Melodyne essentials.
 
What changed my opinion?
 
A couple of things.
 
Over a long time of using v-vocal I began to hear a certain unpleasant distorted coloration that v-vocal was adding to my vocals. That was before even adding pitch change or any edits. I suspect it is melodyne that is handing v-vocal a corrupted file to work with. None the less the v-vocal wave is terrible sounding to my ears now.
 
Also I found a way to disable melodyne's snap to grid pitch and timing features. So everything is free floating.
 
Also the tiny faint grid lines when I set melodyne to high contrast and zoom in I can actually see them now.
 
The copy of my vocals that ends up in the the melodyne editing window is much better sounding than how melodyne has been passing the wave off to v-vocal. Melodyne is like a virus once it was added to cakewalk the waves melodyne passed off to v-vocal are muddy and distorted.  If I use melodyne in a project and try and place a v-vocal wave on a clip my cakewalk freezes up. (Thanks melodyne)
 
Well melodyne essential has some nice features and sounds REALLY great (as long as I do not use its auto correct features and edits timing/pitch by hand). It is actually a lifesaver considering v-vocal is muddying my clips terribly now even when working in high def files. 
 
I will be using melodyne now exclusively. Too bad essentials does not have amplitude editing capabilities but track envelopes are a great workaround for that.
 
Bending notes and splitting notes are also a rub with melodyne essentials. If I fuss and fidget with the notes i can usually get most things to work. And there is always the option of simply re-singing a phrase so it is more spot on. 
 
V-vocal has officially been laid to rest, please send no flowers, just make a charitable donation to your favorite cause. :)
 
RIP v-vocal
 
Summers So Green - RexRed
http://www.reverbnation.com/rexredmusicartist/song/22972293-summers-so-green
 
Vocal edited with melodyne

Melodyne sometimes identifies a 2-note phrase as being one note.  You then have to split it, and drag the second note up or down to where it should be.  This action may (and often does) create a blip in the audio stream.  Using V-vocal allows you to locate this blip, and using the line tool, draw through the blip, and then reconstruct the vibrato of the inserted line to match the rest of the waveform.  You'd never know the vocalist couldn't sing their way out of a pot of spoiled chili.
 
The only reason I added to this insanely lengthy post is that many, many posters are saying one tool is better than the other.  Uh, no.  Its like having 5 different 9/16 inch wrenches in your toolbox:  one day you'll be trying to get some damn bolt off, and only one of those is going to fit in there with clearance.

I will only apply v-vocal to a tiny portion of a clip now if needed because of the muddy distortion I have noticed in the way v-vocal is handed the the original clip from melodyne.
 
It is called ARA a progress meter goes by real quick when v-vocal is processing the wave for editing. V-vocal is not receiving the same pristine wave for editing that melodyne is receiving from ARA. 
 
It takes a while to hear/detect/notice the distorted wave at first in v-vocal but now I hear the distortion all the time it is VERY slight but unacceptable to me.

Knowing how/when to split notes is key with Melodyne. That's the equivalent of the V-Vocal pencil tool if you get good at it.

Anderton
I'm at a disadvantage because I upgraded to Editor

Since you are prolly gonna be round for a while, I think you should setup 3 test-bed computers, one each with the default installation of each version of Sonar.
 
For you have volunteered to be Sonar's Mr. Wizard.

I'm glad you're enjoying Melodyne now! I don't know what happened with your V-Vocal but I'm pretty sure Melodyne isn't called at all when you open a V-Vocal clip. Melodyne doesn't even really "get" its own clips, it's handed them by Sonar.
FWIW, I have never liked the sound of V-Vocal. I also often got some kind of distortion, and of course the dreaded flanging issue. This goes back to Sonar 6 or 7, whenever it was added (I think 6?).

You can use alt to temporarily release the grid by the way, akin to using N in Sonar proper.

Oh if you get "blips", GregGraves, you can easily edit the transition time in Melodyne. If you split at the right point, this works great (for me).

RexRed
I will only apply v-vocal to a tiny portion of a clip now if needed because of the muddy distortion I have noticed in the way v-vocal is handed the the original clip from melodyne.

The audio file does not pass through Melodyne unless you process with Melodyne. Why would you process with Melodyne, then hand it off to V-Vocal. That's like sending a reverb into another reverb... Sure - if your after something weird and wonderful it may work, but not normally.