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...I suspect it is melodyne that is handing v-vocal a corrupted file to work with...

 
I'm puzzled by this. Could you please explain.

I like V-Vocal and I'm getting better at Melodyne Essential. But there are things V-Vocal does that Melodyne Essential does not do. What bothers me is that V-Vocal crashes Sonar Professional. I sometimes import files into Sonar X1 to use V-Vocal, but it's a hassle. Why does V-Vocal crash later Sonar releases? Is there a fix?

I basically agree with Bob's original post. Or should I say, I feel his pain.
 
But a side concern of mine at least, is this: Tools that we've purchased with our money shouldn't just disappear like that. I am totally accustomed to working in V-Vocal. Loving it and never had an issue. The things I need to do are now muscle memory and easily performed. Suddenly it's gone ... and why?
 
Oh I know, because I chose to give Cakewalk even more of my money to "upgrade".
 
I feel like Melodyne ... and let's be honest ... it wasn't even Melodyne, it was Melodyne Essential ... was crammed down our throats without so much as a survey to gauge the popularity of what it was replacing. Then we had the privilege of paying yet again to get the real Melodyne. Or you could just ... not fudge with it at all ... like the old days ...
 
I understand money walks and ... Cakewalk is out there signing deals and partnering with various companies at different points ... I get that. That's business. But it does get personal when essential tools you both paid for and depend on to make your art just up and disappear like a fart in the wind.
 
Sounds like I'm ****ing, but I'm not. I still couldn't do what I do without Cakewalk. I love Cakewalk. But things like this make it hard for me to get psyched about going monthly subscription with them. How much stuff will just change on me when Cakewalk's contracts with certain, future vendors expire? Will I just lose the Pro-Channel at some point and have it replaced with the suck channel?
 
Currently to get around this I just leave Sonar X1 64-bit installed and continue to have my v-vocal cake and eat it too. But how long will this last? The wonky Melodyne interface makes me want to lose my lunch. Looks like a circa '85 mac or something. The little music blobs that your supposed to move around look like little turds on my screen. I literally can't look at Melodyne.
 
I guess it's all what you are used to. Didn't mean to offend anybody. That's just the way I genuinely feel.

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I feel like Melodyne ... and let's be honest ... it wasn't even Melodyne, it was Melodyne Essential ... was crammed down our throats without so much as a survey to gauge the popularity of what it was replacing. Then we had the privilege of paying yet again to get the real Melodyne. Or you could just ... not fudge with it at all ... like the old days ...
 
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Currently to get around this I just leave Sonar X1 64-bit installed and continue to have my v-vocal cake and eat it too. But how long will this last? The wonky Melodyne interface makes me want to lose my lunch. Looks like a circa '85 mac or something. The little music blobs that your supposed to move around look like little turds on my screen. I literally can't look at Melodyne.
 
I guess it's all what you are used to. Didn't mean to offend anybody. That's just the way I genuinely feel.

This post does not offend me.
 
I agree with you. Celemony is offensive. They are offensive as a vendor, and their products are offensive.
 
Also I agree that if the only option is Melodyne, you might as well just learn to sing in pitch.
 
Celemony is bad. V-Vocal is good, a little out of date. Sonar and Cakewalk are great.
 
I really hope Cake will get away from the association with Celemony. Its toxic.
 
 

I still use vvocal myself.

Not reading the whole thread....but wasn't V Vocal a Roland involvement, and with them out of the Cakewalk picture, might have something related with the lack of updating and/or continued support.  Seemed like Melodyne popped in at a time when a "replacement" was "needed".  I also believe that Melodyne has more of an industry "liking"....in a similar way that ProTools does....whether or not it is better (which in the case of Sonar, it isn't!)... but Melodyne did come up with some crazy features like polyphonic detection and such...I think in effect giving it an industry boost.

mixmkr
Not reading the whole thread....but wasn't V Vocal a Roland involvement, and with them out of the Cakewalk picture, might have something related with the lack of updating and/or continued support.  Seemed like Melodyne popped in at a time when a "replacement" was "needed".  I also believe that Melodyne has more of an industry "liking"....in a similar way that ProTools does....whether or not it is better (which in the case of Sonar, it isn't!)... but Melodyne did come up with some crazy features like polyphonic detection and such...I think in effect giving it an industry boost.

It was a Roland product. The thread makes that clear. However even before Roland sold CW they had not done any updates for a long time. 

Wow... this thread is still around?
 
Summary: VVocal is Roland IP and was deprecated years ago.  IOW, no fixes and no changes coming from Roland.
Since Cakewalk is no longer owned by Roland that IP is no longer available.  But older SONAR installers can still be used to (re)install VVocal if needed.
Melodyne is SONAR's included and integrated (via ARA) pitch-correction tool of choice.  But ARA also works with VVocal if it's installed; VVocal is not SONAR version-specific.
 
Personally, I was thrilled when ARA was introduced in X3 since I had been using the same technology in Studio One with Melodyne Editor.   Preferences aside, for me it was always the results that made the difference - from day one those results simply sounded more natural using Melodyne vs. VVocal.  But it definitely took longer for me to adjust to Melodyne's UI than VVocal which I adapted to fairly quick.  Now that it's been a few years VVocal would probably feel a bit alien while Melodyne is familiar...  orange and all.  
 
$.03

I miss having a shortcut key for launching V-Vocal. I don't think it's possible to set one up in Sonar versions later than X2. Or is it?