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2016/03/02 15:33:25
profwacko
I suppose I should cease and desist on reporting V-Vocal crashes.
 
In the latest update (22.3.0.24) it crashes like a memory leak, which is to say that it operates very nominally for a while.
 
Then, after instantiating several RegionFX and making tuning adjustments, I get crashes of different types.
 
Sometimes it's an assertion, other times it's a "SONAR has stopped working" dialog.
 
I guess I need to lookup how much the update to Melodyne Editor costs.
 
-Jack (in Central Tx)
 
2016/03/02 16:23:08
Ozz
What's with the hate on Melodyne?  Is it the product itself or do people have issues with the company?  And if so, why?
 
I used V-Vocal and thought it was ok, although I had a lot of "glitchy" behavior with it.  I didn't care too much for the GUI....but, I liked it enough that I kept the version of Sonar that I had it on installed so I could still access it.
 
When I first started using Melodyne, I had some weird issues at times, that nobody (neither the forum, nor Celemony) could ever explain  (after making a few alterations successfully, if I made another...and then went to do another one, the prior one would swap back to it's previous "location"....and I then could make no further changes).  That was happening in X3.....
 
Since updating to Platinum, I haven't yet had this happen (knock on wood)..so I figured it was some little bug somewhere that got cleaned up.
 
But I digress.....I guess my point is, overall, at least for what I need, I like Melodyne quite a bit more than V-Vocal, and honestly haven't used V-Vocal in probably a year because I haven't felt like it was needed.....
 
It was and is a decent program...but no improvements in quite a long time, and it seems to be kind of "dead in the water'.....so....unfortunate as it may be....time moves on...I like Melodyne's setup...although, I'm currently using Editor 2 and haven't updated to Editor or Studio 4, as I've heard varying reviews....I've got until April for the special upgrade price...I figure I'll see if people are happier with it once they've fixed up a few things.
 
I'm just so impressed with ANY of these programs that make me sound FAR better than I am, that I'm grateful they exist at all. ;-)
2016/03/02 21:06:10
Anderton
profwacko
I suppose I should cease and desist on reporting V-Vocal crashes.

 
V-Vocal is not a Cakewalk product, and Roland stopped updating/supporting it years ago, so...any problems you encounter will not be fixed.
 
One of the reasons CW switched to Melodyne was that a lot of crash logs identified V-Vocal as the source. It was great in its day, but it's time to move on.
 
If it's any consolation, I held on to V-Vocal for as long as I could because Melodyne Essential didn't do as much. But when I upgraded to Melodyne Editor, it was a revelation - way, way better than V-Vocal.
 
2016/03/04 12:23:21
stevec
Ozz
...I like Melodyne's setup...although, I'm currently using Editor 2 and haven't updated to Editor or Studio 4, as I've heard varying reviews....I've got until April for the special upgrade price...I figure I'll see if people are happier with it once they've fixed up a few things.
 
I'm just so impressed with ANY of these programs that make me sound FAR better than I am, that I'm grateful they exist at all. ;-)




I'm sure you've read enough opinions about it already, but I'll add mine anyway - v4 rocks.   
 
I did upgrade to Studio though since the cost was lower than I've ever seen and I didn't want to miss out.  I use Melodyne on a regular basis and while I haven't used much of Studio's exclusive tools, I have played around with them and I think they're quite nice and plan to use them to their fullest.   But even at a basic level I really like the changes in v4... and it's still in the "brand new" phase.    Makes me wonder what another year will bring to the table...
 
2017/03/29 03:09:17
jayemuller
Dear Melodyne lovers/experts,
I resisted as long as I could to use Melodyne and stuck with VVocal, as I like it a lot. It's getting harder to use unfortunately.
One thing that I did a lot in VVocal, I still can not find how to do in Melodyne. Maybe someone can help me. How do I add vibrato to a vocal where there is none? Just can't figure it out.
HELP! :-)
Jaye
2017/03/29 03:14:51
mudgel
You can still use VVocal.
If you have a version of Sonar that contains it then install that version of Sonar and deselect every item when you do an advanced install. VVocal doesn't have a special tab as it gets installed along with Sonar. You'll have access to it through region fx as before. And yes it's OK to run different Sonar versions side by side. In any case you only want VVocal anyway.
2017/03/29 05:41:26
stickman393
jayemuller
Dear Melodyne lovers/experts,
I resisted as long as I could to use Melodyne and stuck with VVocal, as I like it a lot. It's getting harder to use unfortunately.
One thing that I did a lot in VVocal, I still can not find how to do in Melodyne. Maybe someone can help me. How do I add vibrato to a vocal where there is none? Just can't figure it out.
HELP! :-)
Jaye


I think you need to have an edition with more features than Melodyne Essential. If you have Studio or whatever its called ,then I think you should be able to add vibrato... but if not, then you may just not have that feature available.
 
Personally, it's "cold dead fingers" for V-Vocal, for me...
2017/03/29 20:00:40
reginaldStjohn
Melodyne does not have a feature to "add" vibrato when there is none. At least not in the same way VVocal did. That was a nice feature that VVocal had. However, I think you can copy pitch variations from another blob on another one, or split the blob up and manually add vibrato, or find a plug-in that can modulate pitch.  Not as easy but just some ideas I had.
2017/03/29 21:27:04
Anderton
I wrote about how to do this in "The Big Book of SONAR Tips." Basically, I have a Sonitus Modulator preset that does vocal vibrato, and insert that as an audio effect in the clip. You can automate the depth and rate. I find this approach easier to use, more expressive because you can control it in real time and record the automation, and more reliable than the vibrato tool in V-Vocal. 
2017/03/30 12:53:48
hockeyjx
Anderton
I wrote about how to do this in "The Big Book of SONAR Tips." Basically, I have a Sonitus Modulator preset that does vocal vibrato, and insert that as an audio effect in the clip. You can automate the depth and rate. I find this approach easier to use, more expressive because you can control it in real time and record the automation, and more reliable than the vibrato tool in V-Vocal. 




 
I need to buy that book :)
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