V-Vocal and Melodyne are third party products. I see no reason for complains to Cakewalk about them (till the integration part).
 
I am complete Noob in Music, and for me V-Vocal was crashing near every time I have tried to learn how to use it. That has not happened with Melodyne so far. Also I am more interested in polyphonic material, with which  V-Vocal is completely useless.

If you go back and look at my first two posts in this thread, the first was a way to retain V-VOcal from a prior release of Sonar.  The 2nd post immediately indicated it was 'not taking sides' in the discussion, and that if someone for whatever wanted to use or to not use V-Vocal, that their choice was fine and theirs to make.
 
I think where you think I began bashing you, is the following post I had made:
 
"Yeah?  Well, I invented ELECTRICITY :)
 Seriously, can we stop marking scent on all the bushes????
 I don't want to know who's got the bigger hard drive.
 The OP does not care for Melodyne - fine - cool.  Continue with V-Vocal - no problem, enjoy.
 How about moving on now?
 Bob Bone"
 
I would like to explain what my intent was - firstly it was directed at the entire set of posts from both sides of the discussion, because all of a sudden the entire thread had turned into a giant 'mine is bigger' kind of tone.  
 
But even in that, I still made the point that if YOU wanted to continue using V-Vocal that this was fine, and for you to continue to enjoy what it does for YOU.
 
And, that post had been an attempt to short-circuit the negativity in the thread and just move away from it.
 
At NO time in my comments had I deliberately taken a swipe at anyone in particular, and in fact DEFENDED your choice to want to use V-Vocal.
 
So, whatever discussion you choose to continue having with others, have at it, but please do not believe I meant to be part of any negative targeting toward you.
 
The thread turned quite nasty, and I hate seeing that, so I urged folks to 'move on', that's all.
 
And for whatever the worth - I LIKE V-Vocal, and think there are certain things it does that work for me.  I also like Melodyne, and do not believe it HAS to be an either/or situation.
 
Lastly, my specs are listed for any 'bragging' purposes.  There are plenty of folks out there with bigger and better systems.  As a matter of fact, 2 days ago, my 2nd display monitor (the 46" one bit the dust, AND i am just about to completely reload my DAW< because something is really wacky with the audio interface or with something else in the system, so my hardware is pretty precarious right now, at best.  I have 202 programs to reinstall, not to mention the OS, and potentially additional hardware on top of that.  I got nothing to brag about there.
 
My specs are listed so that if anyone is assisting me, they can get a snapshot of what kind of system I am running with, that's all.
 
Please understand I took no swings at you, and there are no reasons for you to take swings at me.
 
Good luck with your continued use of V-Vocal.  I will certainly continue to use it, where for me it makes sense to do so, and will use other tools as they make sense.
 
Edited to add: If anything I posted made you think I was swiping at you, please accept apologies - it's has NEVER been my nature in this forum to do that to someone, and I certainly did not intentionally do so in this thread.
 
Bob Bone
 

V Vocal, Autotune, and Melodyne are simply 3 tools that are similar in many respects but different in others. Depending on the job you need to accomplish, one of those tools will excel and the rest probably won't.
 
I didn't read all the posts verbatim, but I did see some misguided comments.
 
When I'm on a job (day gig) and need a phillips screwdriver, my pliers or hammer won't get the job done. I need a screwdriver. Also grabbing a flathead, or a  torx screwdriver won't work even though it's a screwdriver..... and then there are the various sizes, because the job may call for a medium sized phillips driver, a small or large one won't work even though it's a phillips.   See my point?
 
So to say that V Vocal rules and melodyne is for amateurs is pure nonsense.  I don't use VV.  preferring instead,  Melodyne (full Editor version). I've used it for years and still learn things about it that I didn't know. I thought I saw that VV was a discontinued product. If that's the case, it's likely due to market forces not buying it and buying instead a competing product. Survival of the fittest so to speak, in the business world.
 
I'm not knocking VV because, honestly I never used it. I did have a serious look at the pitch correction software before I did lay my money down. For what I wanted, ME was the logical choice. I use ME because it gives me crystal clear fixes, with no artifacts and I don't hear at all where it "sucks the life out" of the vocals.  Where I use it, you can not tell that it was used.
 
I'm glad you found a way to use VV in your new DAW.
 
Over, and out.
 
 
 
 

To the OP:
 
My prior experience with Melodyene and X3 was sketchy at in the past. But I kept reading how most on here was using it with no problems. I tweaked and pursued answers, but nothing worked.
 
Knowing it was my setup - I knew I had to make changes, so I did 2 things. First I upgraded my video card and noticed an improvement. But still some issues considering this daw is plenty strong. So I finally bit the bullet and re-installed my OS, Sonar, etc. over a weekend. What I found was I had about 50 gb of bloat that had built up over 5 years on that machine even though I constantly tried to maintain and housekeep that daw. (I also date back to DOS/Atari days with music software/tape/smpte,stc.)  Now that my daw  manages anything reasonable I can throw at it at low latency. Melodyne runs like a sports car. So this is just a suggestion, if it's been a while since you've had a clean OS install - it worked for me big time. 
 
On the subject of the offering of tuning software - I hear subtle changes to the original sound with both v-vocal and melodyne. No offense, but I find Melodyne much easier to use with less or I should say different artifacts than v-vocal. My melodyne gripe is two things - sometimes I do feel that some of the life of the track is missing after processing. I noticed this in particular when tuning bass guitar tracks and then a/b ing the tuned/orig. Also after bouncing a melodyne processed track (vox), the volume is usually lower than the original. Both of those issues could be operator error.
 
Also, from being in the business for awhile, there are many skilled and talented musicians and producers that aren't validated one way or the other by followers. There are several musicians out there that I would follow if they passionately focused on marketing. And there are several musicians out there that are focused on marketing that I wouldn't follow for pay. With that said, I can tell that you know how to operate a daw with ease which over time becomes quite simple for most of us. And I also believe that people like Alex could sit down with anybody and go chop for chop on Sonar even-though he's not banging his resume drum. If you hang around for awhile you'll see that he's got it going on and helps when he can. He has a sinse of humor that may or may not be to your liking. But he keeps it real and doesn't blow smoke up the back side when he writes here.
 
 
 

I heard that Slate Digital was going to buy V-Vocal and release it in VST, AU and whatever Avid uses formats. Slate Digital has the very best stuff ever...
 
In the after life I am Wonko the Sane.
 

 
Regards,

Some singers don't need either one, so they don't care.

drma173
Now these DAW just does the work for you making your music sound generic

Machines don't kill music, people do :)

Anderton
Machines don't kill music, people do :)

I heard that!

Sanderxpander
I have three Twitter followers by the way.

I have 4!!!! ;)

RexRed
Instead of saying what everyone else is using perhaps you should try actually using these programs on daily basis then you might sing a different tune...

Instead of complaining about what everyone else is using perhaps you should stop using these programs on daily basis then you might learn to sing in tune...