Here's an idea. Ring up Roland and ask how much for vvocal. Then start a kickstarter campaign and raise the finds. You will need to add the costs of hiring a developer for a year to start off with. Raise it to a good standard then sell it to Gibson :)

Lol@this whole thread. Regardless of whether V-vocal is better, it's dead. Many "superior" products have bitten the dust. Not sure what the point is of ranting over a dead product except maybe an attempt to start an argument. If you think V-vocal is viable, get a team of investeors an developers together and somehow do what Roland was unable to do.

Serious question for Craig...I doubt you know the answer, but I'm sure you know people who do. What is the backstory behind V-Vocal?
 
Was it developed in-house by Roland and then abandoned? Or was it bought from some startup? I suspect the latter, because V-V had so much potential and surely Roland had the resources to follow up if it wanted to. Roland is famous for buying into small companies but expecting them to fly on their own, doing nothing to prop them up if they get into trouble. Could V-V have been the product of some one-man shop who decided to go elsewhere?
 
What were the terms of the arrangement between Roland and Cakewalk? I know CW has (or had) the source code, because they did implement a few small fixes and added MIDI output.

Okay, today I am going to try and ignore things that piss me off. :)
 
Even yesterday i tried to tone down my responses at best. Sorry if get a bit testy, it is the temperamental musician in me that sometimes gets the better of me. I know attitude is very important in music no matter which style of music you play. 
 
That is good news that V-vocal may get some development soon. Someone has dropped the ball on it.
 
Usually when someone is proficient in one program regarding a certain task if they try another program that basically does the same thing it should be a piece of cake (pun) to learn.
 
The idea that some vocalists are so good that they don't need V-vocal or Melodyne is fine but  I would like to meet one. Some say melodyne is the "industry standard" because these days everyone uses either a tuner, a volume leveler and timing apparatus (+formant correction) to bring out quiet parts, tune parts that are slightly off and adjusting slight timing discrepancies. WHY? Because these slight imperfections tire the listener. Though some are mostly imperceptible they are still there. A recording artist wants their listeners to listen to their song as many times as possible. I remember picking the needle up off records and replaying certain song over and over and later rewinding tape because a certain song had me captivated. Pink Floyd, Foreigner and The Police come to mind but there are many others.
 
I guess my points are, ease of use and a "complete" solution. Stretching waves are a vital part of a complete solution. The drawbacks of melodyne require that I finish editing in melodyne and then re-sample my wave in v-vocal to finish timing issues. Let's just concede that pitch can be done in both programs well. Melodyne has timing limitations inherent in the program's design.
 
Switching modes in melodyne is also a re-sample of material. Every time a waveform is re-sampled it loses detail.
This is why v-vocal is a one stop shop. I can do all of the volume, pitch, timing and formant under one re-sample of my wave.
 
I usually have two or three V-vocal waves in my lead vocal. I do not mix these down before mastering. For that bounce to clips is just more re-sampling of my wave.  I don't need to normalize prior to v-vocal unless my wave clips in v-vocal. I don't need to manually use the process of gain DB on any waves because i use V-vocal for all gain tweaks. So in essence i can use v-vocal to completely sculpt my wave and do it all in only one re-sampling of my wave. I am not really an audio purest but this particular ideal appeals greatly to me.
 
This is the main reason why using a bit of melodyne and a bit of v-vocal is not an option to me when v-vocal simply does it all and without the clunky (buggy, depending on your system), interface. Over re-sampling is death the subtle siblances, character and tone of a track.
 
The only problem i have with V-vocal is I will be working in the program and cakewalk completely freezes up. It happens rarely and is usually i think related to background tasks like the malicious software removal tool scan etc. Happens a lot on Sundays for some reason (when the NSA is spying on my PC) :).
 
Most other days of the week V-vocal is fine.
 
I just save my work unplug my usb audio interface plug it back in reopen cakewalk and go back to editing. V-vocal has never corrupted a project file on me.
 
So in on re-sampling of a wave i can "easily" correct all vocal anomalies in a vocal track. (and "some" other tracks too) I do my mastering and mix down/rendering to wave or mp3, if that process brings out a certain problem in the wave, because i do not bounce my v-vocal clips to track, i can easily go back in and tweak any portion of my vocal later till everything is good, as best my ear can tell.
 
V-vocal is a one stop, one re-sampling shop with accurate ease of use. If V-vocal has a problem or i need to repeat a part of a wave as an effect, I will clone the v-vocal take, render that clone down, I will take out a certain passage in v-vocal by lowering the volume completely, do surgery on the wave portion and go from there.
 
Why so much has to be read into what I am saying here has to do with twerking, i am certain of it. :)

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Lol@this whole thread. Regardless of whether V-vocal is better, it's dead...

V-Vocal is dead, long live Melodyne.

When X3 came out with no VVocal, I thought it was interesting that support was not only retained for existing projects, but support was added for VVocal as a region effect. So it's not 100% abandoned, just apparently can't be updated or delivered directly.

Like it or not Vvocal is no longer supported full stop. That means it is dead and will last as long as it will last (see Craig's post) unless Roland brings it back out of the blue (don't wait up). Ta

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When X3 came out with no VVocal, I thought it was interesting that support was not only retained for existing projects, but err ooissupport was added for VVocal as a region effect. So it's not 100% abandoned, just apparently can't be updated or delivered directly.

Interesting way to look at it. In that sense DXI plugins are not % 100 abandoned either but I think there is a big difference between legacy support and active development.

I suspect the OP is just having fun with us anyway. The idea that someone comes out of the blue so passionate about a dead product is hilarious.

It's even funnier that someone just learned the word "twerking" and can't stop using it. Next year they will come back under a new name calling us all "thots" a year too late too.

I never really got along well with V-Vocal so perhaps I'm missing some intricacies as to how it works, but what exactly are you missing in Melodyne's timing tools? All the stretching seems to be there, to me, as well as an attack speed tool that V-Vocal misses, not to mention you do all of it from the same view where you had to switch between views in V-Vocal.