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  • A whole whack of high quality beginner's mixing tutorials on youtube...
2015/06/28 09:45:49
Beepster
Since I seem to have finally gotten a handle on Sonar (only took 3 years... lulz) I'm going to really shift my studies to mixing. I can't afford to throw cash at a lot of the usual books or vids so in the meantime I'm just gonna scour youtube and read a lot of articles. Even though I already know quite a bit about mixing it's pretty patchwork but as soon as I started plugging searches into youtube I came across exactly what I think I needed.
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/wickiemedia/videos
 
Just lots of simple, easy to understand yet seemingly thorough explanations of stuff. Just what I need before I start looking at the more heavy duty/specialized tuts on youtube like Pensado's Place.
 
Above is the guys video page but I started from his Introduction vid and followed the links he provides (and/or in the sidebar) to navigate through the start of the series.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEorsfZe4vU
 
The first vid is ULTRA basic stuff but it picks up very quickly from there going into the complexity of mixing consoles and the like. Don't have time to post other vids I'm scouring up but thought maybe other n00bs (and perhaps not so n00bs) might find this guy's stuff useful.
 
Cheers.
2015/06/28 10:00:47
Beepster
PS: As I find useful (free) vids on mixing I'll try to post them here.
2015/06/28 11:21:48
synkrotron
Thanks Beep 
2015/06/28 13:22:27
Beepster
Happy to share anything that helps. I'm always scouring the tubes for educational material and this series kind of popped out as something useful. Cleared up a few things for me and I only spent maybe 45 minutes watching them over breakfast tea (the Canuck version = in my undies, bleary eyed sans crumpets... because food is evil*).
 
;-)
 
*as are pants
2015/06/28 18:18:24
Danny Danzi
Hey beeps,
 
I think what you're doing is really cool. Just be careful when sharing stuff as some of it is a bunch of crap for the sake of someone feeling powerful on the net. I can't tell you how many misleading vids I've found....and then people post them thinking they are helping when in reality, they *could* actually be hurting.
 
I know you know how to gauge this stuff, but I still wanted to put it out there to you. I try my best to respect and appreciate the stuff I see from others at all times....it's just so hard to share this stuff when you:
 
a) aren't using the same recorded material as they are
b) using the same gear
 
You can of course approximate, but let's face it, some of this stuff is way out there. This is why books on the subject depress me while I see all these supposed guru's getting praise....for what? Showing you how to mix on an SSL in a 5 million dollar facility using stuff you may never own in this life time?
 
Just remember....and I know you know this, but it's important....
 
Recording and sound is never a preset or a lesson when it doesn't use YOUR sounds or gear. I'll argue that point with anyone that wishes to jump me. You can't teach a person how to compress THEIR guitar sound correctly if THEIR guitar sound does not exist. You can't teach how to compress a bass or snare if the sound a person uses is not the subject. You can give an approximate, but is that really helpful?
 
"Well heck, how did you learn Danny?"
 
Sound identification. Instead of learning all these techniques and helpful videos, listen to the sounds that are on them. If something sounds great to you, log that sound in your tool box even if you have to record a snip of it. See man, the problem with learning this stuff isn't the lack of techniques or understanding. The problem is learning what is and what is NOT a good sound source.
 
For example, if you were to get the multi-tracks of guys you admire as engineers both super pro or guys on this forum, the one thing you would notice is....they sound great with little to no tweaking. THAT is success and what makes this field 1000 times easier.
 
I read about all these techniques and p-comp etc.....none of that is really needed IF you start with sounds that can stand on their own. We don't need compression tricks and all these work arounds really. You start with a good sound, you add several good sounds, you end up with a great track. It's really cut and dry. The hard thing for guys like yourself is it may not be in the cards to get better gear. Guess what....it's not as important as people make you believe. I have a gazillion tracks that I created while beta testing using a crap mackie console and a Realtek soundcard. I think the tracks sound as good as some of the stuff that has been commercially released by known people.
 
In one small comment....
 
The key to this field is good sound from the source and a good monitoring environment to make the right decisions.
 
Have the above and you're 90% there.....I swear. There isn't a technique or lesson that can help as much as the above. So when you're watching these videos, don't concentrate as much on the technique as the sound you are given. Now, if the technique shows you how to deal with a crappy sound, that's worth learning about. But the main thing you need to learn is how to judge good sounds.
 
That said, "good sounds" can be subjective so you have to really know when something is genre specific or just bad. To me, some of the late 60's and 70's drum, guitar and bass sounds were terrible. Too much tape or mufflers on drum heads, basses that sounded like dead strings, guitars that were harsh or abrasive. Now, as I grew older and actually learned about sound.....my appreciation for those sounds changed. Though I am still not a fan of some of those sounds and feel some were recorded poorly, I now know what is good and what really is crap.
 
In the 80's things were over processed and effected....I did like some of the guitar sounds from that time though. But even there.....so much processing and reverb on everything, it was a mess. BUT.....there were still amazing sounds on all instruments that came from there.
 
90's to present....we have a little over-processing with compression but things are more natural in certain areas. It's sort of like having the rawness of the 60's and 70's minus the dead sounding instruments along with the snap of the 80's minus the effects. I really like where production is going now especially in country music where you can actually be an engineer and use more than compression on a band. And man...the guitar players just get sicker all the time! Especially now that country is more rock oriented. Lyrics are cheese....but the music/players/production is sickness.....in a good way of course. :)
 
Anyway....do what you're doing man. But on the side, try really listening for instrument sounds as well as experimenting on how to get them to sound that way on your own. Sometimes you'll come close, other times you'll fail....and still other times you may even nail it exact. This is what really helps you learn. If you ever get a hold of some of those professional multi-tracks that get passed around here and there, hearing those in your environment can really teach you a lot. Especially when you hear how bad they sound all alone soloed up. LOL! That will teach you how important it is to have instruments work "in the mix with others" over having something sound like a million bucks all by itself.
 
Good luck with this stuff beeps....just be selective and teach yourself to really hone in on what a good sound is all about on various instruments while learning new things. A technique is just that, just a technique. A group of good sounds can speak volumes for themselves and usually become a good sounding song. :)
 
-Danny
2015/06/28 21:49:30
Kamikaze
I liked this mix run through with this annoying smug condescending French fella. It's a simple acoustic mix, but it covers things well. Most of us can ignore from 8 mins on the first video, as we are all in the box.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s590qVm8uc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXje8h7GOpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Hirnibn3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdPDv0o1Wlg
 
2015/06/29 19:51:33
Rimshot
Beautiful reply Danny. 
For me, I have watched many vids on mixing and have learned to spot fairly quickly a real amateur from someone who has done it a while. I don't think seeking online help is bad at all as long as you realize that there are millions of ways to skin a cat and just one or two videos is not going to make anyone a great producer. 
 
However, I needed to know technically how to work a new mid-side EQ and found good examples online. You just need to be careful but its not going to ruin you. Keep an open mind and don't be afraid to learn from Danny or in any way that works with your situation. The best part is the learning IMO.
2015/06/30 10:35:18
bitflipper
I agree with Danny that there's a lot of dubious information out there, but don't discount the entertainment value of the uninformed tutorial. I like the lessons on mastering that feature shaky iPhone video and 808 beatz captured direct from laptop speakers, and a voice-over that begins with "sup!".
 
At the other extreme there's Dave Pensado's great video collection. Yes, he's pimping plugins, but the advice is solid and you can't argue with all the gold records on his wall. He made something passable out of Pussycat Dolls, plus he's Justin Bieber's go-to guy!
2015/06/30 11:47:25
Beepster
Hi, guys. Sorry... I've been too busy/preoccupied to reply.
 
@Danny... Wise words as always. I completely agree about long, meandering tutorials that end up being completely irrelevant to ones specific needs. I watched a few of those on Groove3 back when Cake gave us that free month. They weren't totally without merit but definitely not exactly where I'm going with things.
 
However, and I'd be curious to get the opinion of some of the more learned folks on this, but I do think the ones I linked to don't fall into that category. The ones I've watched so far stick to facts and explanations about what things are and how they work as opposed to watching a guy run through a mix. Essentially "This is the concept behind mixing", "This is what hardware consoles are and what they do", "This is what a DAW is, does and how it works", "This is an EQ and how it works", This is a compressor and how it works", etc.
 
All facts, explanations and very broad examples as opposed to subjective, proprietary silliness. By high quality I was mostly referring to how well presented they are (the guy really did a good job with the graphics and diagrams and it's not dry/boring/overly simplistic/overly complex). However he seems to be really nailing down all the pertinent details as well so I guess they are quality in that regard too. I think he may have some that are more subjective but I haven't gotten to those yet.
 
As for me... well I think the hardest part of my self education was learning HOW to learn. For about the first year I was completley chasing my tail and often times got overwhelmed/off track. Thankfully this forum was here for me to ask questions about stuff. Just having those conversations started pointing me in the right direction. I didn't even know what the hell a compressor was back then nor what busses were used for (only three years ago... hard to believe really).
 
I have a loooong way to go to get to where I want but I've certainly become a lot more competent (to the extent I've been able to pick up a bit of work lately which is AWESOME). I can do pretty much everything right up to the mixing phase very well (planning a project, tracking, editing, solving problems as they arise, etc) and I think I could do demo quality mixes (even on my crummy gear) but now comes the real deal. Mixing like a pro. Obviously not having a proper room and gear is a huge barrier to this happening but as I keep saying (and you have alluded to in your post) if I can get really good in woefully inadequate conditions then as I build up my studio then things should get so much easier.
 
Gotta figure... most of the top pros likely started on crummy gear too so I try not to let it get me down. Just gotta keep wailing at it and snag what I can as finances allow and in the meantime learn how to get the most out what I do already have.
 
And really... the stuff I've got would likely crush a studio from the 60's or even 70's... aside from the environment of course.
 
Cheers.
2015/06/30 13:02:30
bitflipper
...most of the top pros likely started on crummy gear

An important point. But mainly, it wasn't just that the gear was technically lacking but rather that it was simple. Just faders, pan knobs and rudimentary equalizers, plus dynamics processors re-purposed from broadcasting. The relative dearth of tools meant that they could understand each of them in depth.
 
And this is where most modern practitioners lose their way. They have so many tools that they never have a chance to learn everything about them. If a compressor isn't giving them good results, they go out and buy another one. One with more presets. One that some famous engineer swears by. One that carefully mimics a piece of gear from 1965. All the time never really understanding what the compressor does.
 
We can all benefit from periodically revisiting the basics, filling in the holes in our knowledge. If I was to create a recording curriculum, it would start with basic electronics and build from there.
 
 
[EDIT] Duh. And if I was teaching someone how to post to a forum, I'd start with how to properly type in a quote with balanced brackets.
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