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  • Is there a DAW as good as Sonar? (p.6)
2018/02/10 19:50:50
Jeff Evans
paulo
I like to revisit old projects and also have many unfinished projects that I'm not going to be spending hours and hours transferring to a new DAW, so the way I see it is that I'm going to have to keep Sonar going anyway, so why not just continue using it?

 
I think this is good advice.  Especially if you like to revisit a lot of older projects.  Unless Sonar is going to magically stop working I would have thought staying with it is actually the best thing to do.  Personally I prefer to not revisit projects and once they are done and dusted I tend to put them to bed.  So moving to a new DAW works OK for me. Simply continue on with new projects in that.
 
The Studio One manual is not fantastic either.  I think it is OK up to a point and it seems to cover a lot of things but the problem with it at the moment is it is very out of date.  There have been a raft of new things that have been implemented that are simply not in the manual as yet.
 
I found Groove 3 videos on Studio One to be excellent.  Even starting right back with V 1.5 and working up to V2 and so on.  (note you have to watch the first ones because all the basics covered there are simply not covered again.  All the basic features are still present in the latest version)  There is always the Explained level followed by the Advanced levels etc.. They are very well organised in terms of learning e.g. crawl before you walk before you run etc... There are tons of specialised videos on it now e.g. Recording and Editing in Midi etc.. Once you see this you realise that the midi features in Studio One are way above what you may have originally thought.
 
Studio One does have one very good thing going for it and that is a complete third party website totally devoted to it such as Studio One Expert.  This is very good indeed.  Not only do they have ton of training videos on there but each new update often comes out with a video on that site.  There are lots of short videos too on how to do this and that.  We are lucky in that regard having that extra site.  The Presonus site is also pretty good too in terms of free video training.  They also cover the very basics very well too. 
 
 
 
2018/02/10 20:24:19
azslow3
abacab
The best intro video courses on C programming are available free from Harvard's online version of 'CS50: Introduction to Computer Science', offered through edX.  https://www.edx.org/cours...science-harvardx-cs50x

I know most people will disagree, but I think the ONLY way to really understand C programming language... is first learn the commands of PDP-11. Without that, it is impossible to understand WHY C is what it is.
Note that:
a) learning processor commands/addressing is simple (normally done in parallel with assembly language, easier to read/write/remember and has one to one relation). Just ~100 commands, and all are simple.
b) x86 commands/addressing will not help to understand C...
 
2018/02/10 20:39:42
sharke
Depends on what you want to use C for. In my case I just needed to write a simple app to help calculate the invoices for my business from Google Calendar data. Total overkill for sure, and I could have done it a lot quicker in Python, but I was feeling a bit nerdy at the time :)
2018/02/10 21:00:50
marled
azslow3
abacab
The best intro video courses on C programming are available free from Harvard's online version of 'CS50: Introduction to Computer Science', offered through edX.  https://www.edx.org/cours...science-harvardx-cs50x

I know most people will disagree, but I think the ONLY way to really understand C programming language... is first learn the commands of PDP-11. Without that, it is impossible to understand WHY C is what it is.
Note that:
a) learning processor commands/addressing is simple (normally done in parallel with assembly language, easier to read/write/remember and has one to one relation). Just ~100 commands, and all are simple.
b) x86 commands/addressing will not help to understand C...



azslow3, I agree with you that it is helpful for learning C (IMHO for any programming language) that you have learned or better worked with an assembly language that has a one to one relation to the processor commands. But it does not have to be PDP-11, there are other ones like MVS assembly that work also great for general computer understanding.
2018/02/10 21:09:31
marled
Concerning intro videos for DAWs I agree that for the first step they are valuable. And I find myself that the Sonar intro videos are not that bad as some people say. As I a started working with Sonar only 3.5 years ago I still remember that the videos helped me a lot to find my way.
 
2018/02/10 21:56:37
azslow3
marled
But it does not have to be PDP-11, there are other ones like MVS assembly that work also great for general computer understanding.

Sorry, I was not writing about general computer understanding. But about "C" programming language. It directly match PDP-11 set, since it was developed as a high level assembly for PDP-11. And that was my point.
 
There is some irony in that: x86 has several features which PDP-11 does not, while PDP-11 has own distinct features. Once it was clear that x86 takes the lead, it could be expected that a new language is written for it, to match its features. Yet that has not happened
 
2018/02/10 22:43:14
sharke
What about learning computer science in general. I remember watching the infamous MIT "structure and interpretation of computer programs" course that they did for Hewlett Packard (probably on YouTube) and they used Scheme (a variant of LISP) for that, and it seemed like a great way to teach the basic concepts of programming without getting too bogged down in the specifics of syntax. That course is great btw if you can find somewhere to watch it. 
2018/02/10 22:45:50
sharke
abacab
sharke
 
I recall learning how to program in C from a book that turned out in later chapters to be great, but man were the first few chapters a confusing PITA to read, unbelievable for a book which claims you don't need prior knowledge. They contain stuff like this: 
 
"When appearing in an expression, char and short, both signed and unsigned, are automatically converted to int or, if necessary, to unsigned int. (If short is the same size as int, unsigned short is larger than int; in that case, unsigned short is converted to unsigned int.) Under K&R C, but not under current C, float is automatically converted to double. Because they are conversions to larger types, they are called promotions."
 
As a beginner, you're left wondering how much of this stuff you really need to know now and how much you should come back to later. I find manuals to be full of unnecessarily confusing stuff like this, and in many cases videos are the best way to go for a beginner. 




The best intro video courses on C programming are available free from Harvard's online version of 'CS50: Introduction to Computer Science', offered through edX.  https://www.edx.org/cours...science-harvardx-cs50x
 
The on campus lectures are all videotaped, so you can watch online, follow along with the exercises and projects, and fill your head with all sorts of ints and chars...
 




There are some really great college lectures online. The "Programming Paradigms" series that Stanford has on its YouTube channel (lecturer Jerry Cain) is particularly good, I learned loads from it. 
2018/02/11 09:17:46
marled
azslow3
marled
But it does not have to be PDP-11, there are other ones like MVS assembly that work also great for general computer understanding.

Sorry, I was not writing about general computer understanding. But about "C" programming language. It directly match PDP-11 set, since it was developed as a high level assembly for PDP-11. And that was my point.


You're right. I have not expressed me clearly. I wanted just to say that if you learn an assembly that has nearly a one to one relation to the processor commands, then you have got a kind of a visible imagination what is going on in a program in a computer. And this helps you for learning any programming language, especially C and C++.
2018/02/12 13:10:18
tenfoot
Matron Landslide
 
I swiched to Studio One 3 - 2 1/2 years ago or so, haven't looked back, do not miss anything from SONAR. 


 
Gotta say Matron, after 4 months of intensive use (8-10 hours every day), incredibly without a single glitch or crash, I am starting to wish I had too! Melodyne ARA is flawless, and project loading is unbelievably fast, just to name a couple of favourites.
 
The plyaylist was my tie to Sonar, but so easily solved 3rd party.
 
Still, I dont want to be too critical. The old girl was good to me for a very long time, but it does prove the devil you know is not always better than the one you don't :)
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