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2017/03/18 22:10:09
koreabsorb
Wondering if anyone has experience using SOnar with Komplete control Keyboard?   Thinking of purchasing one and wondering how well it would interface with Sonar.  Thx 
2017/03/20 12:46:21
dcumpian
I have an S88 and use AzCtrl to connect it to Sonar. It works great except for track switching. That is the only feature that must be integrated into Sonar directly to support these controllers. I love mine.
 
Regards,
Dan
2017/03/20 20:01:05
filtersweep
I have the S61 it is a very nice addition, complementing a Kurz PC3X which is 88 key weighted. I mention that because it seems I am incapable of getting really nice acoustic piano sounds from anything but a weighted keyboard. S61 has a very solid build, great synth action keyboard (many I have played feel cheap, not this one), light guide is cool feature which happens to look cool as well. The integration w NI software is fantastic and i have a few non NI vsts that have nks functionality that is also wonderful (Lounge Lizard is one very good example). At each keyboard size the NI products tend to run around 100 US$ more than competing boards but for my money the excellent software integration and build quality are more than worth the price differential. And yes, it works great w komplete kontrol software within Sonar as far as running the vsts. I don't think there is built in integration w Sonar for transport control but that is trivial for my purposes.
2017/03/20 20:40:45
dcumpian
filtersweep
I don't think there is built in integration w Sonar for transport control but that is trivial for my purposes.



AzCtrl provides that...
 
Dan
2017/03/21 00:16:59
JohanSebatianGremlin
dcumpian
I have an S88 and use AzCtrl to connect it to Sonar. It works great except for track switching. That is the only feature that must be integrated into Sonar directly to support these controllers. I love mine.
 
Regards,
Dan


Question about the S88. I spent some time poking around on one in a music store a few months back. They had it connected to a laptop with all the NI instruments loaded. The integration with the VST instruments seemed to work well and I could definitely see myself making use of that if I ever buy one. 

But the one thing I kept noticing over and over as I used the one-board controls to load different sounds and instruments was that there doesn't seem to be any kind of dedicated volume control. All the assignable control knobs were cool and the scribble strips made it easy to see what parameters I was tweaking. But as far as I could tell, none of the assignable knobs was assigned to control volume in any of the patches I played with.

Its great that I can easily scroll through and instantly adjust delay time on LFO #6. But it'd be nice to be able to turn the dang volume up or down once in a while to. Was I just missing something obvious?
2017/03/21 02:39:16
filtersweep
No. Your not missing anything. Many vsts do not have a dedicated volume, and some have one buried a couple of pages deep. That is a valid issue to raise. Not a deal breaker in my mind because of all the other advantages but it does seem an oversight. More of an issue in standalone mode than in a daw.
2017/03/21 11:59:56
JohanSebatianGremlin
Meh I dunno. I only use VST's inside Sonar. I have a slider mapped to controller 7 at all times and I feel crippled if I don't. Especially if I'm combing through presets. Can't count how often I'll switch to a new preset and either have almost no output or I'm waking the dead in the next county as soon as I touch a key.
2017/03/21 12:21:05
dcumpian
JohanSebatianGremlin
Meh I dunno. I only use VST's inside Sonar. I have a slider mapped to controller 7 at all times and I feel crippled if I don't. Especially if I'm combing through presets. Can't count how often I'll switch to a new preset and either have almost no output or I'm waking the dead in the next county as soon as I touch a key.




You can map the rotary controllers on these keyboards any way you want. If you want a dedicated volume control, just map Rotary #1 to CC7 and you've got it. I've created a template that gets loaded on startup and I have every CC mapped into 4 pages of encoder mappings.
 
Regards,
Dan
2017/03/21 13:10:43
JohanSebatianGremlin
dcumpian
 
You can map the rotary controllers on these keyboards any way you want. If you want a dedicated volume control, just map Rotary #1 to CC7 and you've got it. I've created a template that gets loaded on startup and I have every CC mapped into 4 pages of encoder mappings.

I know that I could customize what the rotary knobs do and save that. But it seems to me that the mappings were different for every preset. So does that mean I'd have to go through all the presets in every plugin and redo the knob settings so that volume was on the first knob in each one? 
2017/03/21 13:13:16
dcumpian
JohanSebatianGremlin
dcumpian
 
You can map the rotary controllers on these keyboards any way you want. If you want a dedicated volume control, just map Rotary #1 to CC7 and you've got it. I've created a template that gets loaded on startup and I have every CC mapped into 4 pages of encoder mappings.

I know that I could customize what the rotary knobs do and save that. But it seems to me that the mappings were different for every preset. So does that mean I'd have to go through all the presets in every plugin and redo the knob settings so that volume was on the first knob in each one? 




For NKS presets, yes you would have to modify them. I was referring to the default template for non-NKS instruments. You don't have to load the NKS preset. I only find them useful for certain synths and libraries with lots of keyswitches.
 
Dan
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