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2017/03/19 04:11:29
The Grim
@jamesattfield, i see from the other thread that you had pulled the trigger on life time updates, so if you pull the trigger on reaper as well it's only $60, if the mac version of sonar does materialize you'll still have access to it without any further expense, so you got can have it both ways, if reaper or logic happen to flick your switch your all good, and if the mac version of sonar materializes and you like it your all good. either way your all good, just choose what you like, what suits you best best and go with it.
2017/03/19 04:39:05
mudgel
The OSX alpha is free for all. If you happen to have a Sonar Platinum lifetime updates you will also get the full OSX version of Sonar should it materialise.
2017/03/19 16:58:25
jamesattfield
@abacab, your point well taken and I now know that I can work with Reaper as well but I will not work with Windows again so long as they continue down the Win 10 road. I have worked with Windows since it was distributed on diskettes so you can imaging the wrench. That kind of rules out Sonar for the moment.
 
@The Grim - actually I didn't go for the lifetime updates as I did not feel confident in Cakewalk's desire to deliver. If the OSX Alpha ever appears and is free to all I may give it a go out of curiosity, and if it offers something over and above Reaper, as abacab says, why have only one DAW although I would always prefer to know one well than several reasonably. Doesn't stop me buying many synths, though lol
 
@mudgel, good point, I might well be tempted to trial a free alpha BUT where is it? It' s nearly April now and information from Cakewalk is diminishing rather than increasing.
 
Note to self - must get a cute sig listing all of my stuff but there is just too, too much :-)
2017/03/25 09:39:17
mudgel
Cakewalk said that we'd get more info in April.
2017/03/25 17:31:50
Anderton
mudgel
Cakewalk said that we'd get more info in April.



I can confirm that April is looking like when the Mac direction will get worked out. However as was made clear from the outset, the alpha is to test the waters. So it remains to be seen whether the waters are smooth sailing or a nasty chop.
2017/03/25 18:58:39
coolbass
Anderton
mudgel
Cakewalk said that we'd get more info in April.



I can confirm that April is looking like when the Mac direction will get worked out. However as was made clear from the outset, the alpha is to test the waters. So it remains to be seen whether the waters are smooth sailing or a nasty chop.




I am on lifetime updates.
However I have to say, I cannot appreciate the fact the Cakewalk left its potential Mac users hanging with no info till april 17, while something was promised for the fall of all 2016.
Before this I was using Sonar on bootcamp windows 10.
This last month however I began using Reaper 5 on Sierra and really enjoying it.
 
For the moment I am doubting I will ever return to Sonar.
Time will tell. But Cakewalk really pissed me off.
Also I don't like the new Bakery nor the new pricing ( although I have lifetime updates).
2017/03/25 21:07:22
Anderton
This is exactly why Cakewalk never used to announce delivery dates, or say what was planned for future updates. But people got really pissed off at that, too. 
 
Fortunately CW was smart enough not to announce the PRV updates until they were known to work well. Meanwhile they had to deal with all the forum posts about how sucky SONAR's PRV implementation was, how they didn't listen to their customers, and how it would never change. You can't win...so you just do the best you can.
2017/03/25 22:17:57
coolbass
Anderton
This is exactly why Cakewalk never used to announce delivery dates, or say what was planned for future updates. But people got really pissed off at that, too. 
 
Fortunately CW was smart enough not to announce the PRV updates until they were known to work well. Meanwhile they had to deal with all the forum posts about how sucky SONAR's PRV implementation was, how they didn't listen to their customers, and how it would never change. You can't win...so you just do the best you can.




How about correctly informing your customers? Just tell them what is going on.
No marketing b*****t.
2017/03/26 15:52:59
Anderton
I already 
coolbass
Anderton
This is exactly why Cakewalk never used to announce delivery dates, or say what was planned for future updates. But people got really pissed off at that, too. 
 
Fortunately CW was smart enough not to announce the PRV updates until they were known to work well. Meanwhile they had to deal with all the forum posts about how sucky SONAR's PRV implementation was, how they didn't listen to their customers, and how it would never change. You can't win...so you just do the best you can.




How about correctly informing your customers? Just tell them what is going on.
 



What was going on was Cakewalk could not make a definitive statement one way or the other. I suppose they could have said "We don't have anything definitive to say" but I think what people wanted was a definitive statement and CW was not prepared to give that. And the ground is always shifting, like the surprising recent survey that showed 50% of Mac Pro Tools users who were going to get a new computer would choose Windows. This article explains why Pro Tools performance continues to improve steadily on Windows and deteriorate equally steadily on Mac OS X. I doubt anyone at CW expected this kind of ongoing performance drop when the Mac version was first contemplated.
 
I agree Cakewalk could have been more transparent and said "you'll most likely still get something, someday" but let's get real, slipping dates is common in this industry, and most companies that announce something and fail to meet a release date clam up because once bitten, twice shy. 
 
FWIW fall 2016 ended on December 21. So technically speaking, the delay in announcing definitive news about the April release was about 90 days. That doesn't seem so incredibly out of line. 
2017/03/26 16:41:44
JohanSebatianGremlin
Anderton
 
And the ground is always shifting, like the surprising recent survey that showed 50% of Mac Pro Tools users who were going to get a new computer would choose Windows. This article explains why Pro Tools performance continues to improve steadily on Windows and deteriorate equally steadily on Mac OS X. I doubt anyone at CW expected this kind of ongoing performance drop when the Mac version was first contemplated.

I hope Cakewalk also understands that the vast majority of that 50% of Mac Pro Tools users will NEVER be Sonar customers so their opinion on platform selection is not really a good yard stick for whether or not a market for Sonar will materialize on the Mac platform.
 
There was a time when every word printed in the news media was written on Macs. When that changed, Microsoft didn't say well I guess we should just give up on making Word for the Mac because all the pros are switching to PC.
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