I set snap to @ measure and drag the end of the clip to the beginning of the previous measure.  If my memory is right, there used to be a time when selecting measure would ensure the wherever one dragged or pasted a MIDI clip, it would start the MIDI data at the correct place in the measure, whether the data began at beat one, OR NOT.  I believe this was in the days before the Sonar X versions.  Does anyone else remember this?  I find either workaround annoying.

Change Snap 'To' to 'By'.

chuckebaby

bcgreen@gmail.com
^^^ Cakewalk is the only DAW I've ever used that does this, actually-- and I've literally used them all. :)

 
Im sorry I didn't know this.
Is it possibly you link me some examples in other DAW's that keep empty track data in a midi track ?  Im sure by you using Literally every DAW out there, there must be a video on you tube.
Im interested about this because I have always known midi data to only keep regions between 2 notes, not at the start nor at the end. because with no data, there is nothing there.

 
Here's a video I just made myself:
 
https://youtu.be/94PS27Iuk60
 
Sorry, no sound, but you can still see what's going on.
 
DAW's in order:
StudioOne
Bitwig
Cubase
Ableton Live
FL Studio
Mixcraft
Reason
 
 

bcgreen@gmail.com

chuckebaby

bcgreen@gmail.com
^^^ Cakewalk is the only DAW I've ever used that does this, actually-- and I've literally used them all. :)

 
Im sorry I didn't know this.
Is it possibly you link me some examples in other DAW's that keep empty track data in a midi track ?  Im sure by you using Literally every DAW out there, there must be a video on you tube.
Im interested about this because I have always known midi data to only keep regions between 2 notes, not at the start nor at the end. because with no data, there is nothing there.

 
Here's a video I just made myself:
 
https://youtu.be/94PS27Iuk60
 
Sorry, no sound, but you can still see what's going on.
 
DAW's in order:
StudioOne
Bitwig
Cubase
Ableton Live
FL Studio
Mixcraft
Reason
 
 

Yup I see what you mean.

I was going to suggest a negative value un clip/snap offset,
but it's only for audio clips (it's visible in midi but it won't change off zero)
and it's only in samples

pwalpwal

chuckebaby
I believe this is universal (All DAW's work this way) not just a Sonar thing.

from my experience, it actually IS just a sonar thing

 
I used Reason for a while. There you had to create an empty midi clip with definite start and end points before you could start adding notes within it. And it was not possible to add any notes beyond the defined range without first extending the clip.

Kev999

pwalpwal

chuckebaby
I believe this is universal (All DAW's work this way) not just a Sonar thing.

from my experience, it actually IS just a sonar thing

 
I used Reason for a while. There you had to create an empty midi clip with definite start and end points before you could start adding notes within it. And it was not possible to add any notes beyond the defined range without first extending the clip.

That's not the case anymore...

bcgreen@gmail.com

Kev999

pwalpwal

chuckebaby
I believe this is universal (All DAW's work this way) not just a Sonar thing.

from my experience, it actually IS just a sonar thing

I used Reason for a while. There you had to create an empty midi clip with definite start and end points before you could start adding notes within it. And it was not possible to add any notes beyond the defined range without first extending the clip.

That's not the case anymore...

 
That was Reason v4. I have not had any experience with later versions.

Bryan, did you ever check out my suggestion to use Snap 'By'? It solves the problem of having MIDI notes retain their offset from the grid though the clip edge will still be where the first note/event starts.

brundlefly
Bryan, did you ever check out my suggestion to use Snap 'By'? It solves the problem of having MIDI notes retain their offset from the grid though the clip edge will still be where the first note/event starts.

Yep, that's a great workaround. Thanks for that!
 
Bryan