Is this really the time and place to discuss ancient Chinese wine vessels?

JohanSebatianGremlin
Is this really the time and place to discuss ancient Chinese wine vessels?

With you?
Personally I've lived almost 62 yrs without talking with you and I could finish the remaining years without talking with you.
If you hadn't confronted and insulted me with something that was none of your business-due to your lack of reading comprehension skills we wouldn't be talking now.
 
If you want to continue whining about your misgivings you'll need to find somebody else. I have no desire to converse with you about anything. You're welcome to continue and have the last word on your slow boat to China or wherever it is you plan on going with this.

Sheesh, guys. The topic is guitars, not religion. (Granted, for some it might be a fine distinction.)
 
This thread needs to get back on topic.
 
Anyhow, everybody knows Gibsons and Fenders suck and all the best players use Schecter.

I agree. Spacey was the one who wanted to talk about Chinese wine containers. I thought it was a little weird myself but he claims to know guitars so I figured he must understand how the two are related even though no one else does. 

 

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[Fu or FU may refer to:

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• Fǔ, a type of ancient Chinese vessel

 
Back on track now. For the OP, after reading your clarification of your relationship and the background of both you and your son, I'd agree the best course is to enjoy heck out of this process with your son but don't try too hard to steer him for whatever it is he's decided he wants. 

His focus and his goals for this instrument are going to be different than the focus and goals of most of the people on this forum. IOW the right guitar for him, might not be the right guitar for most of us. I would buy a mexi-strat and mod it till it was what I wanted. Or I would build from parts. But lots of aspects that are important to me, will probably not matter at all to him because he's going to be doing different things with the instrument than I would. So I strongly suspect he could find an off the shelf american strat that speaks to him and be completely happy with it for many years to come.
 
Best of luck to you both. Let us know how it goes.

Thanks Bit....for chilling out the mood around here....Really....I don't get why people don't utilize the PM (PRIVATE MESSAGE) System on here if anyone takes a post in the wrong way and need to vent/clarify...? (serious question...no offense or malice toward any parties involved) ....because it just takes us all on a trip we don't need to be a part of on any said topic/thread.   Sorry... I just had to put that out there....most seem to ignore my posts anyhow...lol  
 Keep on pick'n 'n Grinnin'  while ya can...   ;o)

Yea, it's probably the best idea to let the person who'll be playing the guitar make the decision on what they want.

With the exceptions being if something is clearly not right about that particular guitar, which is unlikely if it's a US or MIM Fender. Or if they want a vintage-style Strat and also want to play modern dark-toned mid-scooped and heavily distorted metal, a combination that's likely not to be ideal.

While they're at it they ought to try a Gibson/Epiphone or two as well, some people find the Fender scale length a bit of a stretch and the shorter Gibson scale length and lower string tension easier to cope with.

Definitely second the recommendation to go play some Gibson/Epiphone before deciding. In fact, go on a fact finding mission and play as many types and brands as you can. And make sure he tries some hollow and semi hollow body stuff too. He might pick up a Gretsch or a Rickenbacker and fall in love.

Well back to guitars:  Batsbrew, you really have me thinking about a custom build for me.  I like the look of the USAAG people.  Do you (or anyone else here) have recommendations for other custom builders? 

jeteague
Well back to guitars:  Batsbrew, you really have me thinking about a custom build for me.  I like the look of the USAAG people.  Do you (or anyone else here) have recommendations for other custom builders? 

wow jeteague,
i had given up on this thead due to all the childish bickering.
 
i'm a child too,
and bicker elsewhere.
LOL
 
there are literally hundreds of talented builders (spacy),
but out of all the 'aftermarket' guitar builders and parts makers,
i decided i liked USACG the best.
 
their necks are without parallel, IMHO
 
they don't do as many mods to standard shapes,
but the ones they do, are excellent.
 
i bought all my parts, and hired a talented local luthier to 'build' it for me.
 
i had a list of specs and requirements (extra fret dressing wasn't required, but a custom nut was),
and i let him do the initial bridge setup with a nice strobe,
but then i did all the rest of the tweaks.
 
 
my build:
USACG body and neck.
body: Lightweight Alder 2-piece, with a contoured heel, side jack, tummy route, fall-away cut out on the back side of the bottom bout for upper fret access.
neck: hardrock maple neck, with a pau ferro fingerboard. 6150 frets, 1-5/8" nut width. small fender-style headstock.
--Gibson scale length neck, 22 frets, fingerboard radius, of 12". the shape of the neck is a thin "C" shape, with a .78" neck thickness at the 1st fret, up to .85 at the 13th, mother of pearl dot inlays.
vintage truss with access at face of headstock.
headstock: tiltback design, 13 degrees, graphtech nut.
Bridge: Hipshot 6 String US Contour Tremolo Chrome with stainless tone bar.
pickups: humbucker-single-single, Bill Lawrence L-500L and L-280s (n & m)
Q filter for master tone, and a master volume. (500k pots)
Scratchplate: done by Warmoth, it's a slightly custom shape, with the 1st volume knob hole removed, and my luthier cut the hole for the Lawrence pickup (not a standard size) to match.
Paint: originally done by a local luthier. later slightly damaged in a flood.
the lighter version, done by USACG custom guitars, it's all NITRO, and very very thin. I instructed them to make it as thin as possible, wear is not a concern to me.
 
 
cost breakdown:

neck-$246
body-$170
pickups-2x40 + 1x50=$130
Q filter- $20
bridge w/steel sustain block-$120 (luthier's price)
custom warmoth scratchplate-$35
tremsetter- $40
custom finish-$300
Sperzel tuners-$65
sheilding - $20
odd hardware -  $40
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$1186
 
 
 

 
i'd say, that besides the gibson scale length, 
and the 2 post trem,
the single biggest 'design deviation' for this build, was the tilt back headstock.
 
the tiltback bolsters the tuning stability more than almost anything else...
except, maybe this:
 

The OP might also want to checkout one of the newer MusicMan Cutlass guitars.
This is basically a MusicMan take on a Strat.
Good build-quality and hardware (won't need to change anything) and also have a noise-canceling circuit
Price is pretty fair all things considered...