• SONAR
  • Pro Channel and/or Inser FX feel messy
2015/09/18 17:49:32
PilotGav
I struggle with my workflow when it comes to channel and Buss FX. I'm wondering how/where others are using their plugins on channels. For example:
 
1) Only use Pro Channel Plugin FX
2) Use PC and any bin FX inside PC
3) Use PC and insert FX into the inserts, outside the PC
4) Only use Insert FX
 
I don't know why, but although I love the Pro Channel - i feel it's intrusive from a graphic/interface point of view, and inserting FX Bins "feels" even more... I don't know... WRONG. Again it's an interface/psychological thing.
 
Am I the only one who's facing this roadblock, or do others feel this as well?
 
Might just me my ADD creeping in.
2015/09/18 17:55:11
John
I can't answer because I don't understand the question. What is it are you saying? Is it the look of the PC? The way the FX bin works?
2015/09/18 18:05:35
Doktor Avalanche
PilotGav
I struggle with my workflow when it comes to channel and Buss FX. I'm wondering how/where others are using their plugins on channels. For example:
 
1) Only use Pro Channel Plugin FX
2) Use PC and any bin FX inside PC
3) Use PC and insert FX into the inserts, outside the PC
4) Only use Insert FX
 
I don't know why, but although I love the Pro Channel - i feel it's intrusive from a graphic/interface point of view, and inserting FX Bins "feels" even more... I don't know... WRONG. Again it's an interface/psychological thing.
 
Am I the only one who's facing this roadblock, or do others feel this as well?
 
Might just me my ADD creeping in.




Perhaps set up a project template up to your requirements.
Every time you create a new track you could use a track template. It would be nice if you could get sonar to default to a track template for audio/midi/instrument. I don't think this is possible tight now is it?
2015/09/18 19:11:20
backwoods
I understand where you're coming from PilotGav. Some things about PC are clumsy to me. I wish PC modules were accessible/draggable from browser like vsts. And I wish instead of inserting VST "bins" in PC we could just drag over a single effect and it would have the same kind of name/header bar as the PC modules have. Maybe make the header bar a different color for differentiating.
 
currently I don't have a fixed MO- I use any and all methods. I also wish there was a single hotkey that cycled thru the inspector views.
 
 
2015/09/18 22:01:00
Anderton
I was raised on big mixers, so it makes sense to me. The PC is the mixer channel strips. The FX bin is the rack stuff that sat behind you or to the left or right of the console, where you had to use patch cords to patch into the inserts.
 
Given that mindset, I tend to use the PC more for the set-and-forget processing like EQ, dynamics, and console emulation, and the FX bin for the weirdass [technical term ] creative effects.
2015/09/19 03:52:18
stlstudio
I want an ultimate version of Sonar that allows a blank prochannel to be customized with my waves plugins only.
prochannel is limited in it's stock plugins and their abilities to add the colors, flavors, dynamics and dimensions to my tracks. ( who uses the same limited plugins on all projects?)
In fact, I started buying waves plugins because the quadcurve eq frequency control (even with SHIFT held down does not give me the fine resolution I desire to EQ tracks. Double clicking on the frequency value gives me a scroll wheel to adjust frequencies in finer resolution but the change is not heard in real time, it is only heard after exiting the scroll wheel function. I've even purchased Sonar Artist to eliminate the prochannel altogether.
I've been using cakewalk products since "Guitar Tracks" which is what I learned DAW recording on.
"Simplicity is Genius."
 
An added note: Sonar Artist still has sonitus eq inserted automatically on each track & now with the new "Ipswitch"
update it's going the prochannel way. I desire no plugins automatically loaded in the prochannel or at least the ability to delete them all including the prochannel quadcurve eq. I just want a blank, (customizable with my plugins only) prochannel or no prochannel at all. I know I can create effects chains of my own plugins but the quadcurve Eq cannot be deleted from the prochannel and I don't like that at all. 
2015/09/19 04:54:07
Bristol_Jonesey
You do no  that you can double click any of the numeric value fields on the QCEQ and enter whatever value you want.
 
You cannot get any more precise than that for fine editing
 
And you can customise a PC channel to hold exactly what you want (apart from the QCEQ) and set it as default?
 
Don't see the issue here
2015/09/19 11:57:02
John
stlstudio
I want an ultimate version of Sonar that allows a blank prochannel to be customized with my waves plugins only.
prochannel is limited in it's stock plugins and their abilities to add the colors, flavors, dynamics and dimensions to my tracks. ( who uses the same limited plugins on all projects?)
In fact, I started buying waves plugins because the quadcurve eq frequency control (even with SHIFT held down does not give me the fine resolution I desire to EQ tracks. Double clicking on the frequency value gives me a scroll wheel to adjust frequencies in finer resolution but the change is not heard in real time, it is only heard after exiting the scroll wheel function. I've even purchased Sonar Artist to eliminate the prochannel altogether.
I've been using cakewalk products since "Guitar Tracks" which is what I learned DAW recording on.
"Simplicity is Genius."
 
An added note: Sonar Artist still has sonitus eq inserted automatically on each track & now with the new "Ipswitch"
update it's going the prochannel way. I desire no plugins automatically loaded in the prochannel or at least the ability to delete them all including the prochannel quadcurve eq. I just want a blank, (customizable with my plugins only) prochannel or no prochannel at all. I know I can create effects chains of my own plugins but the quadcurve Eq cannot be deleted from the prochannel and I don't like that at all. 


What you want is the FX bin. Prochannel is for prochannel modules. 
2015/09/19 12:05:02
Anderton
^^^ This. ProChannel is a mixer channel strip, albeit much more flexible than the hardware equivalent.
2015/09/19 12:25:17
Kylotan
For me, it's #4, insert FX only. I'm a computer musician foremost so I have no attachment or interest in the traditional mixing desk or indeed the Console View that emulates it. That means that I do all my work in Track View, with the controls next to the track, and this has only become more important to me in recent years as plugins have moved from simply being 'effects' to being instruments or simulations that sit squarely in the middle of an FX flow. I need to see those plugins clearly in Track View right alongside the track name, panning, and volume and have quick access to them and their properties, just like I have if I'm using a synth - not hidden away in an FX Chain in a ProChannel that I'll only see if I click on an individual track AND the Inspector is open. (And yes, having to insert FX Chains for each FX in the PC feels fiddly compared to just being able to insert individual VSTs.)
 
The ProChannel is out of sight, out of mind, and out of my workflow, sadly.
 
Now, if they were to replace the FX Bin with a minimised ProChannel, and let us mix and match PC modules and FX modules freely and conveniently in that bin... then things would be different.
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