buffspam - I have no idea how to fix your problem, but I just wanted to say your patience and your courteous posts in this thread have been exemplary. Your frustration is palpable, and you clearly are familiar with software troubleshooting, and you have plenty of reason to blow up -- at us or at Cakewalk, and yet you hold your fire and keep trying. Bravo. (I'm serious.)
 
I sincerely hope you get this resolved and make some music.

buffspam
89 Soft-synth instances tied to 89 tracks (mostly kontakt and PLAY each with multiple channels).  The reason for this is I need channel tools to independently control each channel for spatial positioning (using Mike Verta's delay tactic).  I could max kontakt and play instances out using channels and tie them to MIDI tracks but I wouldn't be able to position them independently.  I find Delay is superior to panning as you don't loose any of the stereo signal and it sounds more natural.  Considering the pro's templates sometimes have 400 tracks I didn't feel 89 tracks were that much.  Maybe Sonar really doesn't like this, but it runs stable when on load.

I wouldn't think any DAW would like this. Unless you have a monster of a machine, that is also incredibly stable, it's usually best to bounce the audio to separate tracks and do your spatial stuff on those audio tracks. You can remove or freeze the soft synths at that point and they will no longer cause potential problems.
 
I know there are folks who say that is unnecessary and you can create a mix directly from a soft synth's output, but that will only work for smaller projects (somewhat less than 89 tracks).
 
Regards,
Dan

dcumpian


I wouldn't think any DAW would like this. Unless you have a monster of a machine, 

System
Skylake i7 4.0Ghz
Asus B150M-PLUS - D3
16x4 Crucial CT2K204864B160B (64GB)
Crucial MX200 250GB OS Drive
Crucial MX200 1TB Samples Drive
Crucial MX100 512GB Storage / Samples Drive
Asus GT720-2GD3-CSM
Asus DVD RW
Logitech Mk270 Wireless Mouse / Keyboard connected to Plugable USB 2.0 Switch
MBOX 3 (USB)
Yamaha NU1 (USB)
Impulse Novation (USB)
Ilok (USB)

 
oof!

Good morning all.  I really appreciate the support from the community here!  I managed to make some headway with my system in a very good way but I still don't know what's causing the crashes.  
 
I've rebuilt my template many times to try to fix this; however, this time when I did it I tried something different. Instead of building it in one shot, I built in sections.  This took some time.
 

• I built a template with 1 instance of each plugin (soft synths, effects, etc) the master template uses.  
• I reloaded it at least 4 times to see if it would crash.
• I would wait after closing a project until the memory was completely released by the app to the system before loading the next project.  It didn't crash.  
• Then I would add the rest of the template section by section (winds, brass, synth, etc), saving each iteration as another file name and testing reloading 4 times.  Of course, THIS time the full template worked in the end.

What this tells me is that its not directly related to function of a plugin nor the hardware of the system, but some zany combination in the previous projects or with how the plugins interacted with other.  What were the updates since the last template build, Play 5->5.0.1 and Sonar's December release.  Ok, so its possible they fixed a bug in one of those but I still tend to think its some screwy combination.  Still odd that I had this issue with each template build for the last year or so.  I just dealt with it at the time but the crashes became more frequent or I just got sick of seeing them.
 
So the good news I have a known good state that I can archive.  If I get crashes in the future I can review what changed between this point in time and then.  I also have many different versions of the file which could help in elimination.  Glad it didn't come down to hardware device elimination and swapping video cards and usb devices (you'd be amazed at the screwball things I've seen a USB mouse due to a PC).  However, I still don't know the cause.  
 
The priority is a bit lower, but soon I will do the reverse with an existing file that has issues.  Remove section by section until I get the file to load (saving each revision).  If it never loads maybe it was an issue with one of the Play or Kontakt versions. Play 5 is great. but earlier versions were a bit iffy.
 
@dcumpian @pwalpwal
 
I know I've taken a seemingly resource inefficient route but I built a system with the power to handle it.  I tested the system by taking one of my projects that have the CPU usage at about 90% using 55GB of memory space and let the file run in loops over a weekend.  I listed to it for periods of time, and with right buffer, no pops, cracks or skips.  I also was able to get excellent performance results with an i5, I just upgraded to the i7 for the really intense projects.  
 
Bouncing to audio is what many due, and your right, a far more stable approach, but as I do mostly orchestral work the stereo field placement building the hall adds to element I need to create the works I make.  I'm by no means a professional but I've followed the paths of Mike Verta and Blake Robinson and their templates indeed get this large and MIDI is not always bounced to audio.
 
I will keep everyone posted, but still encourage anyone with an idea of what would have caused that crash.  It's rare that people have a crash without reproducing in safemode or a clear hardware issue, but if you do a modified approach to what I did it might help.  And its what pretty much most people here said but mine was just lurking in a darker corner.
 

Larry Jones
 
I appreciate the sentiment. I am still a bit frustrated with Cakewalk, but the responsive forum has been excellent.  My frustrations also would be no excuse to show a lack in courteousness, graciousness, and constructive commenting either.  This civility is something I we are seriously lacking that in a lot of places online these days!

Good morning, buffspam - any chance you can get your post count up from its current 20 to 25?
 
Thanks - that would let me communicate with you and have you send me some stuff to look at and all of that sort of thing - I will check back in an hour or two to see if you have hit 25 or more on the post count.
 
Bob Bone

Well - it appears that the magic number for forum members being able to send/receive Private Messages is either 15 or 20, because I was able to send a message to buffspam and he was able to reply.
 
(buffspam I sent an additional message to you)
 
Bob Bone

I just thought of something else, if you haven't already figured it out...

Make sure Windows, your Project sampling rate, your sound module, and plugins are all set to the same Sampling rates. I have had instances where a project won't open due to incompatible sampling rates being used...

I thought of something else to check that may cause an instant crash....
Make sure the Project Sample rate, Windows, your audio interface, plugins, and any existing project files you have loaded are all compatible

Cakewalk Home Studio + Cakewalk Sonar 6

Hi Folks

I would like to ask how you get the Kirnu Cream Arpeggiator to work in the above programmes using MIDI

I have tried various ways, but with no luck. 

My Setup is:- 


Sound Module 1 is directly connect to the computer via a PCI Slot (this being the Yamaha SW1000 XG Card - L/R Phono out)

Sound Module 2 is a Roland Juno-D Synthesizer Keyboard (built in sound module - 6mm jack out to jack in) 
 
I have a midi to usb connector from the Roland going to an usb port on the computer
 
Please, please can you help. I would very much appreciate any advice.....or any Arpeggiator VST which works with the above programmes. 

Thank you for your help. 
 
David (fae Scotland) lol