• SONAR
  • Tired of feeling like I have to make excuses for being a Sonar user... (p.2)
2017/03/02 12:12:21
PJH
JohanSebatianGremlin
Anyone who has used Sonar for more than 3 minutes is accustomed to receiving the typical sonar hate from their peers. What I find particularly insulting in this case is that you made that recording using an Ibanez bass along with Ibanez and 'off-brand' guitars and rim clipped 57's and no visible overhead or cymbal mics of any kind and STILL DESPITE ALL THAT, the only thing they can pick on is how did you manage this in sonar. That right there is a new low for sonar hate in my book.




Yes and I do believe it's not in the gear so much as what you do with it. There were overheads btw but I get your point.
 
I'm just sick of it.
 
@ KPerry - Thanks for the comment about the track.
 
Cheers.
 
Peter.
2017/03/02 12:25:18
chuckebaby
A lot of different styles blended together in that song.
Your lead guitar chops are great. very versatile piece.
 
Now about Sonar, Ignore the noise. I think Sonar X1 was released too early. the first drop almost made me leave Sonar. Autosnap was broken and there was a few other things that were off kilter.
With that being said, sonar released an X1 A patch very shortly after its initial release of Sonar X1 to fix a lot of these issues. However I believe the damage was done by this point. It established a bad reputation and especially true amongst the haters.
 
Myself, I use sonar exclusively in my studio and couldn't be happier.
It does have its quirks at times. This can lead to head scratching but all in all, it is rock solid here.
I should note im using a brand new system (Well less than a year old) Intel I7 4790K - 1150LGA - SSD drive with 16GB of ram - using onboard graphics.
 
I have had only 1 crash in the past year (last Easter / April) and it was because I did something stupid (thought I was cloning 1 track and instead had all tracks selected, so it cloned all 42 tracks at once. When I hit undo, it went unpoo).
 
2017/03/02 12:36:19
elsongs
It's quite simple, and this stereotype stems from the whole "A Windows PC is not what professionals use to make music" 1990s way of thinking and the fact that Sonar is a Windows-only platform product.
2017/03/02 12:45:36
Pragi
What a great sounding production (Distant Horizon)of you, Peter.
Kudos!
2017/03/02 12:58:13
JohanSebatianGremlin
elsongs
It's quite simple, and this stereotype stems from the whole "A Windows PC is not what professionals use to make music" 1990s way of thinking and the fact that Sonar is a Windows-only platform product.


I think that's part of what makes the whole deal such a head scratcher. Its a 1990s way of thinking and we're now at the point where a large chunk of the people who are still propagating that way of thinking were watching power rangers in their jammies and playing with their game boy back then and never even touched an instrument until long after the 90s were over.
2017/03/02 12:59:54
FCCfirstclass
Kudos to you, Peter.  A great song with a lot of moxie riffs.  
 
I am an old fart and just let the odd comments about Sonar roll off my shoulder.
 
I have used Cakewalk since the DOS days,  Sonar is still my DAW of choice.
2017/03/02 13:35:19
kennywtelejazz
Peter,
I enjoyed listening and watching your video very much . You did an excellent job
Had to hunt around for the article ,,,I think this may be the correct direct link for the read ...
http://www.recordingmag.com/tapereviews/2017/02/347.html
 
Wish I had an answer for as to why SONAR is perceived as a second tier DAW among a large cross section of the general populace of DAW users ..
 
Warning , metaphor alert ...
If I happened to walk into a room where a thousand people are shouting 1 + 1 = 3
I would be confronted with a number of possible choices
I could keep my mouth shut ....
I could shout along  1 +1 = 3  with the rest of them just to fit in ....
I could suffer the wrath of a thousand people as I claw and hammer my way into trying to explain to them all that 1+1 does not equal 3 but that 1 + 1 = 2 ....
Or I can choose the best possible solution for my needs....
I can find a different Room .
 
 
Kenny
 
 
 
2017/03/02 14:25:08
Slugbaby
PJH
 
Since having the review go out I've received quite a number of emails from readers and the overwhelming question is:
"How did you manage to achieve this using SONAR???"
 

Make excuses???  NEVER!
 
The next time someone asks you that question, answer "Because I'm that f'ing good."  Sonar is a just a tool, it's how you use it that makes great music.
Given what previous generations achieved with tape technology (and earlier), focusing on your achievement attained with a DAW is idiotic.
2017/03/02 14:34:47
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
This need to excuse/defend seems to keep coming up every once in a while among forumites?!?
 
But why bother? I look at it like the discussion about cars. You could get all emotional or couldn't care less. A car first of all takes you from A to B; a DAW records and processes audio related data. That's what they've been invented for and that's what we still (mostly) buy them for - and that's what pretty much all of them do really well.
 
I consider Sonar the VW, Toyota, Kia (you name it) reliable middle class workhorse that you can afford to buy and afford to maintain ... and most of all gets the "job" done. Of course, if I had a huge ProTools HD desk / Porsche I would show it all around and make snotty comments. But it would not by itself improve the stuff I produce nor get me anywhere faster, yet it would cost more to buy and more to keep running ... so remind your Mercedes driving neighbour of your 7 year warranty next time he mocks about your Kia ...
2017/03/02 14:37:19
MarioD
Frankly I don't give a damn what people say.  I like Sonar.  Besides you can't tell what DAW was used by just listening to a CD or MP3.
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