• SONAR
  • Global Freeze would be nice, but what's THIS I just did?
2017/03/07 15:49:14
brconflict
So, I've been begging for a Global Freeze function, as a few others have.
 
Here's what I found interesting. In ONE Project (just one), I managed to select all my Tracks, hold Ctrl+Click Freeze button, and voila!! In turn each of all the selected tracks FROZE!! Exactly what I needed! However, it only worked on one project. Any of the other projects I tried, it didn't. It's like it was a feature that can easily work, but isn't reliable with the Ctrl+Freeze action.

Would this be something that should be possible, and if not, it seems like it's 99% there, already! Can that make it into the next Release?
2017/03/07 15:58:21
Anderton
Quick Group Freeze was implemented last September. Check the eZine for more info; Quick Group Freeze has worked with every project where I tried to use it.
2017/03/07 17:15:04
brconflict
Ok, thanks. There may just be something wrong with multiple projects I have, then. It's certainly nice to have when it works for me.
2017/03/07 17:22:19
brconflict
Is there a way I can tell if Sonar is even receiving my Ctrl+Click on the Freeze button, and if so, why it isn't happening? I can single click one Freeze button, and that works, but not always Ctrl+Click.
2017/03/07 18:39:15
bitflipper
I, too, have long wished for a group freeze function. However, the current implementation doesn't work reliably for me. It'll work once and then refuse to work again.
 
I've tried it again just now. Here's what I did:
 
1. Select 3 MIDI tracks via ctl-click
2. Ctl-click the Freeze button
3. All three tracks freeze as intendend (yay!). So far, so good.
4. With the same three tracks still selected, ctl-click on the Freeze button again
5. Nothing happens. The tracks are not un-frozen as expected.
6. De-select the tracks and unfreeze each of them the normal way
7. Re-select the same three tracks
8. Ctl-click on the Freeze button
9. Nothing happens. The tracks are not frozen.
10. Close the project without saving, then re-open it
11. Duplicate all of the above steps; ctl-click on the Freeze button does nothing in any of the steps, including the very first
12. Completely shut down SONAR and repeat the above steps
13. After restarting SONAR, the initial group freeze works again but not subsequent attempts - until SONAR is restarted
 
Perhaps some internal flags are not being reset, confusing SONAR about their frozen state.
 
2017/03/08 17:12:33
ampfixer
Sooooooooo, who filed a bug report? OR don't we do that anymore?
2017/03/08 19:41:21
Anderton
Does it have something to do with not obeying the Quick Group rules about what is selected and is not selected? IIRC they're pretty strict, e.g., what happens if you try to Quick Group with a track that's selected vs. one that's not selected.
2017/03/09 00:40:26
brconflict
ampfixer
Sooooooooo, who filed a bug report? OR don't we do that anymore?


I don't. No feedback, no updates, no idea if it was a good submission, and little to no incentive to be exhaustive in testing. Not to downplay the correct way of doing things, I just get the impression it's all going to a dusty old Pentium in a corner of the room, and never checked unless they run out of features to implement. Now, I know that's just not true, but the Bug submission procedure feels more like writing code. If it's not correct, it errors out with no feedback, and goes to a black hole. If someone looks at it, they may just decide I'm an idiot and move on. No questions asked.

In the forum, at least I can get some idea if I'm the only one having this problem or not. :)
2017/03/09 01:17:48
bitflipper
Anderton
Does it have something to do with not obeying the Quick Group rules about what is selected and is not selected? IIRC they're pretty strict, e.g., what happens if you try to Quick Group with a track that's selected vs. one that's not selected.


Makes no difference. Same behavior as described in my previous post, regardless of any variables I could think to try.
 
If it's just picky, and requires a very specific sequence, I'm good with that. I'll learn the secret algorithm! Now, if I could just figure out what it is.
 
ampfixer: you're right, shame on me for not opening a ticket. I guess I figured that since I'd managed without this feature since, well, forever, it wasn't worth complaining about.
2017/03/09 02:21:29
Anderton
Maybe this will help:
 
The following rules apply when using Quick Groups.
 
* Quick Groups only affect tracks of the same type (Audio or MIDI).
* For instrument tracks, the relevant controls is treated as belonging to an Audio or MIDI track.
* Quick Groups do not work between tracks and buses.
* Quick Groups apply a relative adjustment to each control.
* If you adjust a control in a selected track, only selected tracks of the same type are affected.
* If you adjust a control in a non-selected track, all tracks are affected.
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