Anderton

SilverBlueMedallion
Emotional IQ of a 4 year old.  Congratulations.

Some would say that applies to people who think it actually matters to other people what software they use...
 
Objectively speaking, the OP did not initiate a discussion. You have simply posted a laundry list of frustrations, and as azslow3 has pointed out, they are not all of universal relevance by any means.
 
The "discussion" is simple: Like all software, SONAR has limitations. Like all companies, the manufacturer is working on removing those limitations. Like all efforts to remove limitations, they don't happen fast enough for the company or its users. Unlike all companies, Cakewalk is willing to have a forum that tolerates noise as well as signal. There's a reason why Propellerheads and Ableton canned their communities, and also, why they won't be the only companies to do so.
 
Find a solution, get back to work, and make music. If there is no solution, do what Ableton did - they wrote their own program that solved their specific needs (i.e., live performance).

 
well that last response is really a nice way to wrap this post with a bow and softly kiss it away as 'no big deal'... but the fact is....  for over a decade the same MIDI bugs have existed within Sonar causing users to leave and/or have major problems with the product interrupting creative workflow.

It's like saying "all parents hit their kids sometimes".

Yes, its software and far more trivial than that, but the logic of saying "all software has their limitations" is really just a way to soften the intended impact of the post.

When it comes to MIDI implementation, like I said, Sonar might be the worst or close to it.   There are decade-long bugs out there that have been brought up by myself and others over the years.

Without posts like these, the necessary visibility may not make its way up to the bakers as easily.   My posts have often times led to private messages being sent from Cakewalk engineers themselves to me where we work on things together, infact I have one going on right now.   

The tone and subject matter, and writing style is crafted INTENTIONALLY to enhance the chances of visibility by the bakers.  Who wants to get lost down in the flow?

 I've had Reason since v4.  It still can't do simple things like many DAWs do like drag and drop midi, change instruments on a track without doing a drag and drop. It can't do something like groove clip looping like in most DAWs. Sure there is a duplicate function but not like most DAWs.  There is also no assignable hot keys.   While there is limits because it's proprietary it starts to be a cash cow with proprietary REs.  I like it for what it is.
 
 There does seem to be common request and complaint that are on other DAW forums is improvement in MIDI.
 

kitekrazy1
 I've had Reason since v4.  It still can't do simple things like many DAWs do like drag and drop midi, change instruments on a track without doing a drag and drop. It can't do something like groove clip looping like in most DAWs. Sure there is a duplicate function but not like most DAWs.  There is also no assignable hot keys.   While there is limits because it's proprietary it starts to be a cash cow with proprietary REs.  I like it for what it is.
 
 There does seem to be common request and complaint that are on other DAW forums is improvement in MIDI.
 

yea I realize that, I am looking more into Cubase.  It seems to be the Grand Daddy of MIDI

SilverBlueMedallion

kitekrazy1
 I've had Reason since v4.  It still can't do simple things like many DAWs do like drag and drop midi, change instruments on a track without doing a drag and drop. It can't do something like groove clip looping like in most DAWs. Sure there is a duplicate function but not like most DAWs.  There is also no assignable hot keys.   While there is limits because it's proprietary it starts to be a cash cow with proprietary REs.  I like it for what it is.
 
 There does seem to be common request and complaint that are on other DAW forums is improvement in MIDI.
 

yea I realize that, I am looking more into Cubase.  It seems to be the Grand Daddy of MIDI

 I agree. Even their users complain about midi problems.  I didn't think that was possible.

If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care?
 
Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
 

Cubase will frustrate you in other ways. Been there, done that. Same with Reaper. Never tried Logic because I don't use a Mac, but I create lots of music with Sonar. Could it be better? Sure, but I don't have time to dwell on it.
 
Dan

bitman
If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care?
 
Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
 

why even respond?  

why should I "just leave"?


and like I said earlier, I will still use Sonar for its audio editing piece once I export my MIDI to WAV in another DAW.

Who have I bad mouthed?  Why are you so butt hurt over this post?   Why should there be a specific way I need to act?  I am simply making a post with my gripes about the product.  You only want "I Love Sonar" posts?

bitman
If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care?
 
Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
 

 I hate posts like this.  It's like "since you refuse to be part of our fanboy club get out".  It's so reminiscence of what this forum use to be and it's reputation was known to outside users. Ever heard "beat down Sonar style"? A phrase used some years ago in other forums.

kitekrazy1

bitman
If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care?
 
Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
 

 I hate posts like this.  It's like "since you refuse to be part of our fanboy club get out".  It's so reminiscence of what this forum use to be and it's reputation was known to outside users. Ever heard "beat down Sonar style"? A phrase used some years ago in other forums.

totally agree. I posted this to hopefully get the bakers attention and for users to read.  Not to piss anyone off.

Its amazing how emotionally attached some people get to their DAW...as if I am insulting their mother's cooking.

If you want the Baker's attention, submit feature requests and/or problem reports as required.