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2017/01/04 17:50:50
coolbass
SilverBlueMedallion
microapp
SilverBlueMedallion
finally.  someone who understands lol.   Im sorry, for $500, I don't want to put up with mediocrity (or less than that)

Mediocracy is the new meritocracy.
I got Cubase in summer of 2015 primarily as a hedge against the wheels coming off the Sonar monthly update model and also for some of the reasons you have posted. There are some very interesting MIDI features there (e.g. Logic Editor, Expression maps). The notation actually works, too. Hermode tuning is very impressive as well.  I still mix in Sonar (at least for now), but I edit in Cubase. If you have not done so already, get the Cubase Demo.




 
 
I plan on testing it out tonight!
 
Hell, it has a chord track too!  Something Sonar users have begged for. - FOR YEARS!

Logic Editor?  Expression Maps?  Hermode Tuning?  I cant wait to check all this stuff out!




I have had Cubase for more than 10 years.
It is a great program but I still prefer Sonar by a long shot.
 
If you want to see customers being unhappy about bugs, just visit the Cubase forums.
Hahaha, you have nowhere ever seen anything like that.
2017/01/04 17:54:58
AdamGrossmanLG
coolbass
SilverBlueMedallion
microapp
SilverBlueMedallion
finally.  someone who understands lol.   Im sorry, for $500, I don't want to put up with mediocrity (or less than that)

Mediocracy is the new meritocracy.
I got Cubase in summer of 2015 primarily as a hedge against the wheels coming off the Sonar monthly update model and also for some of the reasons you have posted. There are some very interesting MIDI features there (e.g. Logic Editor, Expression maps). The notation actually works, too. Hermode tuning is very impressive as well.  I still mix in Sonar (at least for now), but I edit in Cubase. If you have not done so already, get the Cubase Demo.




 
 
I plan on testing it out tonight!
 
Hell, it has a chord track too!  Something Sonar users have begged for. - FOR YEARS!

Logic Editor?  Expression Maps?  Hermode Tuning?  I cant wait to check all this stuff out!




I have had Cubase for more than 10 years.
It is a great program but I still prefer Sonar by a long shot.
 
If you want to see customers being unhappy about bugs, just visit the Cubase forums.
Hahaha, you have nowhere ever seen anything like that.




are the bugs MIDI or audio related?   How is the MIDI portion?
2017/01/04 17:56:10
AdamGrossmanLG
The reason I stayed with Sonar for so long is simply - I KNOW IT.
 
I know the shortcuts I need, where things are, etc.... learning a new DAW is cumbersome.  I just want to make music!!
2017/01/04 18:26:43
wienryk
Due the lack of MIDI improvement I am consider to change DAW as well. I am Cakewalk user since DOS version back from early 90'. I just checking Cubase 9 and trying to get familiar with it. 
2017/01/04 18:29:20
AdamGrossmanLG
Yea, it shouldn't be too hard because you can save your presets from within the synth and just load them up in the new DAW.

Then you can just drag your MIDI tracks to the desktop and import into Cubase or wherever you go.
 
2017/01/04 19:38:46
abacab
I am not planning to leave Sonar, but am planning to look into Cubase Elements 9 for $99 for doing MIDI editing. 
 
I downloaded and reviewed the manuals and it has most of the MIDI features of Cubase Artist and Pro.
 
The MIDI features look inspiring for sure!
 
To start with, it has the Arranger Track and the Chord Track.
 
The chord functions and other chord features sound very nice.  There is the Chord Track, Chord Events, Chord Editor, Chord Assistant – Circle of Fifths visualization, Scale Events, Voicings, Follow Chord Track, Map to Chord Track, Extract Chord Events, Convert Chord Events, Follow Chord Events, etc.
 
Then the Chord Pads, for an interactive approach to working with chord progressions, integrated with the Chord Assistant.  OK, demo coming soon
2017/01/04 20:04:13
Kamikaze
BobF
If you want the Baker's attention, submit feature requests and/or problem reports as required.
 
 




Really, you think they given feature requests any attention in the past 3 years.
2017/01/04 20:05:43
microapp
coolbass
I have had Cubase for more than 10 years.
It is a great program but I still prefer Sonar by a long shot.
 
If you want to see customers being unhappy about bugs, just visit the Cubase forums.
Hahaha, you have nowhere ever seen anything like that.

 
I do visit the Cubase forum almost daily and I am very surprised at the lack of reported issues with Cubase 9.
I don't know if it has not been out long enough or what but previous releases generated a lot more chatter.
Cubase also must contend with Mac related complaints and HaHaHa back at you when (if) Sonar MacOS is released and all those eager Mac fans are expecting a full-blown functional DAW. You will hear some real honest to god whining then. I hope Cakewalk has the foresight to create a Mac OS forum separate from this one.
Again this is not a sporting event. Cubase does some things very well and Sonar does some things very well. The same with other DAWs. It is not an either or situation.
2017/01/04 20:20:48
microapp
abacab
I am not planning to leave Sonar, but am planning to look into Cubase Elements 9 for $99 for doing MIDI editing. 
 
I downloaded and reviewed the manuals and it has most of the MIDI features of Cubase Artist and Pro.
 
The MIDI features look inspiring for sure!
 
To start with, it has the Arranger Track and the Chord Track.
 
The chord functions and other chord features sound very nice.  There is the Chord Track, Chord Events, Chord Editor, Chord Assistant – Circle of Fifths visualization, Scale Events, Voicings, Follow Chord Track, Map to Chord Track, Extract Chord Events, Convert Chord Events, Follow Chord Events, etc.
 
Then the Chord Pads, for an interactive approach to working with chord progressions, integrated with the Chord Assistant.  OK, demo coming soon


I agree, I was almost overwhelmed(still) with the number of composition related tools. I am hoping that the upcoming Sonar Ripple Edit feature will allow something like the Arranger Track in Cubase.


2017/01/04 20:29:15
AdamGrossmanLG
wow, just started testing Studio One.  Just the FEEL of it is amazing.   

The GUI is fast, responsive... doesn't take forever to load.   

I almost feel Sonar is running off some very old code or something.  It is extremely sluggish.
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