Resonant Serpent

Anderton
 
That said, the specialty of one of Cakewalk's new engineers is MIDI. 

Thanks for the heads up. This is the best news I've heard in a while.

Seconded!

 
Anderton,
 
your comparison to Abelton live not having Mix Recall is not valid here.  Abelton Live TOUTS itself as a DAW catered for live performance right?   You don't need Mix Recall in a live environment.  
 
Cakewalk touts itself as an all-in-one recording DAW (Midi, audio, etc...), which means I expect its functions to work properly.
 
Not saving a synth preset after a freeze or tracks listening to MIDI data it isnt supposed to be, is not something Sonar just doesn't do as well as others....  it's just damn broken!  

I also wouldn't say my issues are strictly me.  The responses on this thread and many others I have made do show that other users are frustrated too!

I also wouldn't call my posts a "tantrum".   That kind of labeling is the kind of wording politicians use to silence or their opponent or to make what the other person is saying invalid.   

My points are VERY valid.   I have multiple projects with missing synth sounds, MIDI data recorded all over the place that shouldn't be, etc... my synth projects are an absolute disaster....  because of Sonar... a software I have spent hundreds on.

I bought it expecting I will be able to create MIDI projects from start to finish.   My expectations are NOT unreasonable.    The product is flaky as well when it comes to MIDI.  Of course I expect there to always be some small issues, nothing in life is perfect.  I am not complaining about small stuff.   I suggest you read through the past years posts that have to do with MIDI gripes (not just by me).
 
Anyway, the thing is.... just working with other DAWs for the last 2 days.... I feel I am stuck with Sonar simply because the learning curve is just too great.   It will literally take me months to learn a new DAW, all its shortcuts, how to do the same things I do in Sonar, simply because I am a long time Sonar user.
 
I just want the MIDI stuff to work as touted.
 
 

I'm pretty sure, in Ableton, you could program those mix recall functions that are important for live use by using scenes and channel selectors. Analogies always go wrong somewhere though, and they don't really prove anything.

I would expect (and I have no data to back this up) that Sonar is used in way more project studios than high end recording studios. That would mean midi is important to most of the user base. Hopefully 2017 will get some more midi love. Look to Logic, Cubase, Sibelius and FruityLoops Studio please!

Sanderxpander
I'm pretty sure, in Ableton, you could program those mix recall functions that are important for live use by using scenes and channel selectors. Analogies always go wrong somewhere though, and they don't really prove anything.

I would expect (and I have no data to back this up) that Sonar is used in way more project studios than high end recording studios. That would mean midi is important to most of the user base. Hopefully 2017 will get some more midi love. Look to Logic, Cubase, Sibelius and FruityLoops Studio please!

 
agree!  Also look to Studio One for its "spiffyness".  The code FEELS new.  The GUI just loads.  You don't have to wait for different modules (like the synth rack for example)... it feels nice.  I don't know about the side of GUI programming, but I feel Studio One is built on some newer technology or something.

... Its so amazing that posts degenerate into personal attacks. Post you issue and if there is a solution great, if not why do people constantly feel the need to go back and forth.   Sometime this can be entertaining but for the most part it is poor behavior. This is worst than the Real Housewives.....
 

stxx
... Its so amazing that posts degenerate into personal attacks. Post you issue and if there is a solution great, if not why do people constantly feel the need to go back and forth.   Sometime this can be entertaining but for the most part it is poor behavior. This is worst than the Real Housewives.....
 

my initial post was 100% technical stuff only.   I only veer off into the "human element" when I am attacked or spoken to about my character, as I do need to respond to things like that.

First, I will agree with the OP that Sonar has plenty of MIDI bugs and things that just don't work right.  I really hope Sonar works on some of the MIDI features, particularly the step sequencer and programming drums. 
 
I work 90% with MIDI and VSTi's, but I'm not a composer so I only will have 6-8 tracks usually and not a ton of plugins.  I don't use advanced MIDI features.  As much as new features are cool, I'd prefer they spend more time on bugs and enhancing existing features.
 
However, I've also tried Studio One 2, Studio One 3, Reaper and Cubase repeatedly.  I've actually spent more time demoing new toys and switching DAWs and plugins than actually creating music, which is why I decided to reformat, bought lifetime updates, installed only the SONAR stock plugins and Komplete 10 (which I also own), and refuse to install anything else.  I need to learn to use what I have to its full capabilities, which will take years as-is!  I find the Lifetime Updates to be a relief. . . now I'm committed to a DAW and I don't have to worry about paying more to upgrade to the next version.  It simplifies my life.
 
Other DAW's will always look shiny and better, particularly when watching videos or reading reviews online.  Their features seem awesome and super useful when I watch a pro using them in a video.  I watch Hans Zimmer use Cubase and it seems like I could do the same thing if I just had Cubase!
 
However, like all things in life, most of it is just advertising and the fantasy that this new software is going to revolutionize your music making (and life) for the better.   Once you start using them, you start to notice the bugs and things that don't work right.  They all have them. 
 
After trying out other DAW's repeatedly, I always came back to Sonar because it provided the best mix of features for me.
 
I say this only to give you some food for thought.  It sounds like you're an advanced user and you've used Sonar for a long time, so it may be the right choice for you to change.  But make sure you separate the marketing hype from reality when you decide!
 

If you feel strongly that Cakewalk is messing up, the best thing to do is let your feet an wallet do the talking. If your money moves elsewhere, that's a message that can't be spun or manipulated. If you feel that the change of tools would be time consuming then you have to ask if that time would be greater than the time you spend dealing with the current shortcomings you can't live with.
Nobody is forced to do anything. I personally don't think you should spend hours trying to convince folks to agree with your views. You know there are people here that will never be swayed and the Cake folks have their own agenda that must be served to keep their livelihoods intact.
Pick your battles and make decisions that serve your best interests. That's all you can do at the end of the day.

Most people don't like to be manipulated - whiny posts lacking objectivity tend to rub people wrongly.

SuperG
Most people don't like to be manipulated - whiny posts lacking objectivity tend to rub people wrongly.

I would hardly say my post lacks objectivity.  I paid good money for this product and it caused me data loss and hassle.  Should I end each post with a smiley because my patches are gone?