• SONAR
  • Big announcement: #SONAR4Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You (p.29)
2016/06/03 19:02:42
John T
jackn2mpu
John T
I don't remember this Jack guy at all.

But I remember you.
I guess Alzheimer's gets us all at some point. I'll give you that I haven't been around in quite a while since I dropped Sonar but hey - I was around this before it ever was a forum and was just a usenet newsgroup (remember that?).


I don't, no. I think you have me confused with someone else.
2016/06/03 19:06:18
Karyn
mikey
A bit confused here... Please let me explain.
 
I would like to buy the "Mac" version of Sonar and then apply the "LifeTime" update. The way I see this (from the ads) is that I need to pay for the LifeTime update 1st, by the end of August 2016,  because the Mac version won't be available until after the Lifetime timeframe to buy runs out? is this correct? So will the Sonar Mac version (whenever it gets released) then be grandfathered/applied to the lifetime update too at this point?




The Sonar license is NOT platform specific.  Buy now and when the OSX version becomes available you can download and use it.
2016/06/03 19:07:39
markoburrows
Hi Guys,
 
I have just read ten pages of Confusion. I think I have worked it out.
 
I purchased Platinum at the end of March, It replaced Professional that I purchased some six months earlier. By September I will be six months through my second CW subscription (but my first Platinum one). To Upgrade to Lifetime I will have to Pay £158 (Roughly $199 (thanks for the UK reduction from £174 overnight CW)).
 
So, people who are on their second cycle of get to buy at $99. Fair enough- and from this I can surmise that I am not the target audience for this promotion. OK!
 
So it seems CW would like an injection of capital and aiming at the second cycle renewal customers. CW must know how many second cycle subscribers it has and what it thinks its likely take up will be. Hopefully this will achieve its capital injection retirement by the end of August.
 
It gives the impression that CW is living a little "hand to mouth", but there again aren't we all...
 
Then there is Gibson, a company not known for innovation. Will they continue to support CW if it does not meet its financial objectives (regardless of how old it is) 
 
But I made the purchase and I own this software as it stands! What I have to decide is do I continue to purchase the same software every 12 months for the same price or do I blow out now and purchase updates for infinity. As there is no such thing as a free lunch, Universal lifetime upgrades are unsustainable. I just barely make a living from Music, so do I feed my kids or do I give CW a cash injection - Or do I miss the boat.
 
As of today I can see that boat moving away from the quay without me...
 
Oh, and to all you fanboys out there. Macs are not all they are hyped up to be, and some of us know this. It is a crowded DAW market in MAC land and CW may not be able to make headway.
 
Hopefully this helps and everyone can stop complaining. You don't have to part with your hard earned cash you know...
 
All the best
 
Marko
Entertaining the few since 1962
 
 
 
 
2016/06/03 19:19:15
GaryQ
Thanks for the links Scook, and the speed of the response!
I now know what I'll be doing all night LOL
2016/06/03 21:01:03
lludwick
My belief is that Sonar will work on the Core of Platinum, but will also be working on separate content that will work outside of Sonar. Maybe the content will work better with Sonar than some other DAWs. I think the model will be to create some super add on plugins that everyone will want and therefore these will be sold as non-core items. This will solve the problem of every time Cakewalk wanted to sell something outside of Sonar, there was complaining about why aren't we all getting this as part of the updates with our subscription.
2016/06/04 04:03:01
Frank Harvey

#SONAR4Mac

My Son is heavily into EDM and has a Mac. I struggle to help him advance with his 'Logic Pro'( I am all thumbs with Macs) and wish he had a PC so I could load Sonar.
I actually managed to load Rapture Essentials on his Mac and he is blown away!!!
I am rapt that SONAR for Mac is on the Horizon!!!
Well done Cakewalk!!
2016/06/04 06:20:45
Blades
Beware: Long post is a comin'...it's not a bunch of negative complaining though, so if you have a few minutes of reading time, I'd appreciate your ear/eyes and input.
 
I am one of the folks who got sidetracked away from my music hobby.  I've been so busy running my business, working IN that business, working ON that business, learning new things about writing/creating websites and the like, and just having too little time left to dedicate to music that I've forgotten a lot of what I knew, from how to use Sonar to its fullest potential (or even creating videos teaching others how to use it) to how to play my instruments as well as I could, which aside from drums was already a challenge for me to get through.
 
I stopped at X3, but realistically, I got through 8.5, knowing it really well, got on the X1 bandwagon and didn't use it a lot, skipped X2 for many of the reasons above but also because it just didn't seem that the X generation of the application was fully baked and still stammering, then went to X3 with the intention of getting "back into it", which I basically have not.
 
When the rolling updates of Platinum and monthly or yearly subscription fees came along, I didn't nay-say like many - at least not completely.  I was watching with interest as new stuff got added, developments came out, many good, some sort of "what the heck is that and why would I care" (especially with the modules Anderton released, where maybe I'm just missing the bus, but seemed like "well we have to add SOMETHING this month...").  I also saw some of the items getting added that I think would not qualify as Core updates, like the bass loops that got added early on, described as "get these now or if you sign up later, they won't be added in the package".  These are the sorts of things that I don't really care anything about and the kind of things that I was concerned would make up a lot of the rolling updates plan.  I think I was wrong here.
 
So now I look through what all has changed with the Core of the program on the rolling updates page, plus the things that got added that I think would fall into that description in the Updates for Life plan even if they aren't actually Core like Notepad is Core to Windows.
 
So now I'm presented with a great deal: $199 for forever updates.  In the "old" non-subscription model, I'd have paid $179 in any given year to get to the new version.  I think there was one $99 time and one or two $199 times, but the jist of it is that for the most part, the $199 I'd pay now to upgrade for Lifetime updates is not that dissimilar to what I used to pay for a year.
 
If I were to go with monthly payments (like I considered when the subscriptions started), I'd have paid $180/year at $15/month.  I wouldn't have to go much past a year at the new model to make it worthwhile.  Likewise, if I had paid the $99 upfront for a year of updates, I'd only have to have done that for the two years since I stopped updating to have spent the $199. 
 
Now I can spend that same $199 and get it for good.  Granted, I didn't get any use of any of those updates for the past two+ years, but it still seems like a pretty good deal to me.
 
But only if I use it.
 
I am still trying to wrap my head around all that will get updated compared to my X3 version, how many new features will pile onto an already somewhat unfamiliar feature-set (of X3 that I can use but not as fluently as I'd prefer), how many bugs will be fixed.  I also wonder if I'll even notice many of these things, like the subtle changes in the Prochannel, the workflow changes in things like comping that are coming (I was still an old "layers guy who never really adopted the full capabilities of comping"), the additions of Melodyne Editor when I don't really think I've used Essentials over the old V-Vocal, the addition of Addictive Drums 2 when I didn't use the AD except for fiddling around, etc. 
 
I see that a ton of bugs have been fixed, but are the ones that I have addressed?  It seems that each update I've seen since quite some time has carried forward all of the bugs that have bothered me with no response as to even acknowledge that they exist.
 
I still see that there are many things that hold onto the old interfaces, like the Drum Map Manager for example.  Hideous and still somewhat problematic in the display as far as the maps themselves (and you all know that I'm a huge Drum Map advocate).  It all sorks fine, just seems really disjointed from the rest of the interface that moved forward.  I see that there are issues with the Mackie Control that never got fixed after the X series was released.  They sent the dll out to the open source and except for AzSlow, nothing seems to have happened.
 
And they are making a Mac version.  Nice for them, but I would have preferred that they at least buttoned up some of the long term things as above, fixed some stuff that people have complained about incessantly like the staff view, and focused on the program from the perspective of the (I have to imagine) the great majority of folks who use Sonar because it's great but also because they have PCs and not Macs.  I don't envision that people have PCs FOR Cakewalk as much as this other way around.  I am sure there are cases of all examples, but my guess is that people use PCs for the most part because that's what they want to use. 
 
I also see things like the Contour Shuttle device that I bought from Cakewalk many years ago - abandoned. No more plugin past the version of Sonar that was available at that time.  I understand that it was a third party product, but it was purchased from Cakewalk with software that integrated it INTO Cakewalk and then they chose not to develop that same software into their new version and now the device is far less useful and has been waiting for a miracle as it sits unplugged longing to be used again.  I have a BCF2000, an Edirol PCR800, and a Frontier Design Tranzport, and none of them are as cool as the Contour Shuttle was when it was released for controlling all the transport functions.  Just the scrub wheel not being usable at the "beat" level and instead only at the "measure" level kind of killed the device for me - seems really trivial but it was a great time saver and just worked better than any of these other devices because of its variable speed, spring-loaded wheel.
 
I only bring up a few of these as the Devil's Advocate:  How long before "lifetime" is the "lifetime of Sonar Platinum".  How long before Melodyne gets dropped out of the integration because of Sonar updates? - just an example as a third party application integration.
 
How the heck am I going to even find the things that are new, let alone learn them?
 
This early-morning post has been coming for quite some time and I've just finally had a chance to sit down and write.  So I'm sure it is a lot of rambling on a lot of topics, but I feel like I must be thinking some of the same things as many who have been around these forums for a long time as I have.  I welcome any feedback anyone has about any of this.  I'm likely to take advantage of this lifetime opportunity, but I sure would enjoy the encouragement!
2016/06/04 07:01:22
garry
So I read/skimmed 10 pages of chatter and never saw an answer from Cakewalk about the long-term future of SONAR as a product. I've been using Cakewalk/CWPA/SONAR since the DOS days. The offer is for the "life of the product" not your life :-).
 
I don't understand the business model behind this offer unless they plan on ending SONAR and renaming it something new in a year or two (much like the CWPA to SONAR name change) and are trying to generate a last burst of SONAR sales before launching a new product.
 
I bought the lifetime upgrade and will hope for the best, but the offer makes no business sense to me at all. Maybe I should take off my tin foil hat and not look a gift horse in the mouth.
2016/06/04 07:58:19
chuckebaby
I remember when a lot of folks were saying the monthly subscription wouldn't work.
have to be honest, the monthly subscription has been one of the most welcoming features cakewalk has rolled out since the invention of the smart tool.
 
what used to be about every year I would wait for bug to be fixed, it is now often fixed within a month.
not to mention the new features that are included every month.
cakewalk has really stepped up their game on customer satisfaction in my opinion.
 
I am however curious as to the lifetime updates. why it is being done.
cakewalk is a business and I understand that. every business has its motives.
but that is a lot of revenue to be giving a way in one large chunk.
I think its okay to be curious of the future of cakewalk.
after all paying for a life time of updates without a clear representation of what that life time is can be confusing.
but such as life, we never know when our life cycle will end so every thing in life is a gamble.
 
looking at the big picture, I believe this is a gamble worth taking.
 
2016/06/04 10:35:23
mikey
Karyn
mikey
A bit confused here... Please let me explain.
 
I would like to buy the "Mac" version of Sonar and then apply the "LifeTime" update. The way I see this (from the ads) is that I need to pay for the LifeTime update 1st, by the end of August 2016,  because the Mac version won't be available until after the Lifetime timeframe to buy runs out? is this correct? So will the Sonar Mac version (whenever it gets released) then be grandfathered/applied to the lifetime update too at this point?




The Sonar license is NOT platform specific.  Buy now and when the OSX version becomes available you can download and use it.


Ok thanks for that! Looks like all I need is the "LifeTime Update" and Im all set...
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