Do this during mix down through sends to a bus, or is this a mastering technique?

Have heard what it can do and would love to learn how to do it.
Thanks!

Here ya go...
 
https://www.izotope.com/en/community/blog/tips-tutorials/2014/06/what-is-midside-processing.html
 
http://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/creative-midside-processing - for Ableton, but still good info here
 
http://www.soundonsound.c...ues/sonar-stereo-tools - Craig Anderton (circa 2009)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVQ1SwSJ3YA - Mid-Side Processing in Sonar by forum member gswitz, I do believe

You have to capture a mid track and a side track when recording.  Basically two microphones pointed 90 degrees apart.  Did you do this or are you trying to apply something after the fact?
 
 
 

Cool. Thanks. I'll check it out!

gcolbert
You have to capture a mid track and a side track when recording.  Basically two microphones pointed 90 degrees apart.  Did you do this or are you trying to apply something after the fact?
 
 
 

After.

Billy86

gcolbert
You have to capture a mid track and a side track when recording.  Basically two microphones pointed 90 degrees apart.  Did you do this or are you trying to apply something after the fact?
 
 
 

After.

If you want to process material using M-S processing but the material was not recorded using the M-S mic'ing technique, what you will be doing is "encoding" a stereo track, processing the M-S information and then "decoding" it again to play back in stereo.
 
... because you are starting with and processing a stereo track (not a bunch of mono tracks) it is a technique that lends itself to the mastering stage.
 
You can do it by setting up your own matrix of tracks and busses (3 tracks, 5 busses and a master ... with 1 track containing the original stereo source) or by using plugins to do it for you.
 

This is what I like about this forum - a good question and really helpful replies.  I have already printed off the posted articles to walk through myself.

quantumeffect

Billy86

gcolbert
You have to capture a mid track and a side track when recording.  Basically two microphones pointed 90 degrees apart.  Did you do this or are you trying to apply something after the fact?

After.

If you want to process material using M-S processing but the material was not recorded using the M-S mic'ing technique, what you will be doing is "encoding" a stereo track, processing the M-S information and then "decoding" it again to play back in stereo.
 
... because you are starting with and processing a stereo track (not a bunch of mono tracks) it is a technique that lends itself to the mastering stage.
 
You can do it by setting up your own matrix of tracks and busses (3 tracks, 5 busses and a master ... with 1 track containing the original stereo source) or by using plugins to do it for you.
 

Thanks. I'd read about the encoder/decoder route (Voxengo offers a free one I'm going to explore). I just didn't have a mental model on how M/S worked or how to approach.

Be cautioned that m/s gets used to describe two things...

First and most classically is a mic'ing technique that enables the ambient track to cancel completely from the sound when played on a mono system. This was most important when more than half of all listeners listened in mono. It is still commonly used and should be learned so you know it is a choice to be considered. This requires a figure eight patterned Mic and another.

The other meaning is for things like the lp EQ. Really, this is a goofy term for what is happening. People often don't realize how much it can help a mix to bring up the opposite channel, phase inverted, in the one channel and vice versa. Doing this with EQ can help reduce center volume and emphasize the differences in the tracks. This is usually done in the mastering stage.

These two things have very little to do with each other, but both result in polarity inverted material in opposing stereo tracks.

This means that both have significant canceling when played on a mono system.

Lastly, for the first type, no plugin is required. It is just a routing solution.

gswitz
Be cautioned that m/s gets used to describe two things...

First and most classically is a mic'ing technique that enables the ambient track to cancel completely from the sound when played on a mono system. This was most important when more than half of all listeners listened in mono. It is still commonly used and should be learned so you know it is a choice to be considered. This requires a figure eight patterned Mic and another.

The other meaning is for things like the lp EQ. Really, this is a goofy term for what is happening. People often don't realize how much it can help a mix to bring up the opposite channel, phase inverted, in the one channel and vice versa. Doing this with EQ can help reduce center volume and emphasize the differences in the tracks. This is usually done in the mastering stage.

These two things have very little to do with each other, but both result in polarity inverted material in opposing stereo tracks.

This means that both have significant canceling when played on a mono system.

Lastly, for the first type, no plugin is required. It is just a routing solution.

I'm afraid I don't understand the routing in a DIY scenario and I'm unclear on the phase issue, overall. I'm going to try a Waves Hybrid EQ that supports M/S processing with control over phase. How do you I approach that? Thanks so much.