as to the 'old code' i don't really think that anyone can deny it, iirc (and i usually do) , not so long back one of the cakewalk employees made a post which in essence said, that they were (planning to) taking the knife to sonars core and removing the old inefficient code' not word for word of course, but that's the essence of what was said. if you want to read it seek and ye shall find, unless it has been removed, (i have no need to prove it i know what i read and that it was said by a cakewalk employee) so old code is a fact, not that that necessarily means it's bad of course, but cakewalk must think it is to be "taking the knife to it" so argue with them if you must. i think we have already seen it in action in stuff they are doing and have done, upcoming ripple editing - removing all that problematic stuff with deleting holes etc, perhaps all the copy/paste/selection quirks, perhaps the recent performance improvements (although that may be due to just new stuff, idk) etc etc etc.

I am a Sonar guy! since 2.0 
Hate use other programs, as you lose time in learning.
 
Last week, i downoaded  free trials, and also installed versions thet I got for free with some hardware I have....Samplitube, protools le, Sudio one, nuendo 4
 
while i do not know programs, its clear, they have features that are great n first glance
 
for example, samplitude has markers 1,2,3,10 right in your face to take you to selection of the song.....it took me a second to find it, and a second to learn it. well done.
 
Why sonar can be inspired with such things and make GUI better
 
its still a chalenge for me...
 
so, my point is this, start listeing and monitor others whey they do....and improve. improvements made, have to be simplification of the tasks.
 
pro toos for example, has a inserts page, ita a breeze indestanding ruouting of the signal..sonar is not well designed it that particular view, and complicated to undrstand.
 
having said all of this, i do not intend to dump it,as it has a lots to offer as package, sounds, etc..
 
but, start adding some useful features,as mentioned above, and then move to some other staff

The Grim
as to the 'old code' i don't really think that anyone can deny it, iirc (and i usually do) , not so long back one of the cakewalk employees made a post which in essence said, that they were (planning to) taking the knife to sonars core and removing the old inefficient code' not word for word of course, but that's the essence of what was said. if you want to read it seek and ye shall find, unless it has been removed, (i have no need to prove it i know what i read and that it was said by a cakewalk employee) so old code is a fact, not that that necessarily means it's bad of course, but cakewalk must think it is to be "taking the knife to it" so argue with them if you must. i think we have already seen it in action in stuff they are doing and have done, upcoming ripple editing - removing all that problematic stuff with deleting holes etc, perhaps all the copy/paste/selection quirks, perhaps the recent performance improvements (although that may be due to just new stuff, idk) etc etc etc.

Thanks , for the reply,.Paul and Grim.
No need to argu with anyone about it
cause I´m a happy sonarian.
I´m just curious about the reflex of some forumities
to bring up  the "old" code  in every DAW comparison discussions.
 
regards

PGM
I am a Sonar guy! since 2.0 
Hate use other programs, as you lose time in learning.
 
Last week, i downoaded  free trials, and also installed versions thet I got for free with some hardware I have....Samplitube, protools le, Sudio one, nuendo 4
 
while i do not know programs, its clear, they have features that are great n first glance
 
for example, samplitude has markers 1,2,3,10 right in your face to take you to selection of the song.....it took me a second to find it, and a second to learn it. well done.
 
Why sonar can be inspired with such things and make GUI better
 
its still a chalenge for me...
 
so, my point is this, start listeing and monitor others whey they do....and improve. improvements made, have to be simplification of the tasks.
 
pro toos for example, has a inserts page, ita a breeze indestanding ruouting of the signal..sonar is not well designed it that particular view, and complicated to undrstand.
 
having said all of this, i do not intend to dump it,as it has a lots to offer as package, sounds, etc..
 
but, start adding some useful features,as mentioned above, and then move to some other staff

a daw with the best bits, ideas, features from every other daw all rolled into one would be great. it is foolish to think that everything sonar (or any other daw) does is the best, not only foolish, but statistically highly improbable, not to say highly unrealistic. who cares who makes it, who cares what it's called, having emotional attachments to a company and or a product to the point where it causes you to get defensive and butt hurt every time said company/products shortcomings, deficiencies or issues are brought to the fore is utter folly and something i will never be able to comprehend. it's a company, it's a product, it's a tool, there will always be something better coming along. i believe some people stay with product xyz because it's what they know, they have expended a lot of time, effort and money into it and that causes them to delude themselves from ever moving forward to something better, something new, it's just emotional attachment. (of course the time, effort and money expended on xyz product is a good enough reason to want to stay), but be honest about it, there will always be something better. i thought sonar was the best, it was my first, then the x series came along and i walked, x3e pulled it back together and me back, then platinum built on that, then for me studio one 3 came along, to me it's much better, far more solid, very intuitive to me, does things in a way that just seems right to me,  was a hand in glove fit to me, has many great features big and small that i prefer, but when something comes along that i like better, that rings my bell louder, i'm gone, and in time it will, that's a certainty. it may well be sonar again, that's the reason i jumped on the lifetime membership (that and the $99 deal was just to good to pass up ). i have never found switching daws daunting, the basics are pretty much all the same, so you can be up and running almost immediately, then you just learn what you need as you need it, learn the different ways to do things, it's not that big a deal. but don't limit yourself to something, whatever it may be just because, and just disregard everything else out of hand . . . foolishness

No,! we are talking here about perception, when you open new DAW. and if it takes a second, for a task it took me hour to figure out, and another 10 min ifi do not use it for a while, I think its a legitimate question.
 
if you primary business is recording, then its a different story. Your comment about Studio ONe is just the thing I am talking about...simplification.
 
Cakewalk should have a PUNCH list, and a PROCESS which should go first.
 
this a decision problem, what should we change first.......adding stuff for marketing purposes, advanced features...or simlifiction process od GUI..
 
I do not know how this is detrmined, but Studio one, and Abelton are pure guidance that customer do care about it..in my opinion,sonar with proper management would run circles around them a decade ago
 
I know, there was a problem with Roland, that treated Cakewalk like a foster child, because od Boss brand etc......but now its a fresh start, and i am trying to let them know

The Grim

jpetersen
Never touch old code if it ain't broke.
Far newer code in Studio One yet it boots so slow.
Sonar starts in seconds.

not here, they both boot fast enough, although studio one boots noticeably faster, does it matter? not me, just my observation and my experience

one nice thing is that s1 tells you what it's doing while booting...

I believe someday there will be a DAW which we will be able to custom tailor to our own needs.
Insert our own code in simple ways. We are just not there yet.
Until then, enjoy what we are doing in this day and age.
 
It wasn't too long ago I was cutting tape all night long to complete one kick track.

Well said, Chuck.

Sonar starts in 3 seconds for me, ready to go.  Old code or not, that's good enough!

I'm one of the mind who doesn't feel anyone should stick to the belief that you should always "Stick to the DAW you started with".
 I started with tape, moved up to Tascam D-88 DAT, then naturally progressed into Mac Pro Tools for audio recording but relied heavily on Cakewalk Pro Audio on a Windows machine for MIDI sequencing, then dropped the Mac like a hot potato when OSx became of age introducing a very rocky start to core-audio drivers, it also required enormously expensive hardware and software upgrades at the same time SONAR 4 matured into a reliable and very low latency multi track audio recording monster with a very inexpensive and great sounding M-Audio Delta 1010 PCI audio interface, which clearly and VERY noticeably out performed the Mac/Pro Tools rigs and at a fraction of the cost.
 This also made it so much less expensive I was also easily able to afford ACID Pro, Vegas Pro, Sound Forge Pro, Cubase, and Reason all of which had an enormous impact on my creative abilities, workflow, and output.
 I soon made enough money to be able to afford the necessary industry evil; the Mac running Pro Tools.
 I still use a 5 year old Mac today running Pro Tools 8 and Reason 5, because if I go any further with upgrading OSx and PT, I'll either need a new audio interface or pay AVID $200 for new drivers to get my Digi 02 to work with PT 12.
 
 Now while SONAR is my personal favorite, I'm not at all a fan of the prescription plan, I'm more of a recording artist then a beta tester and after a  few bad destabilizing monthly updates causing me to roll back, and once having to reinstall, I think maybe I prefer doing it once a year.
 And this is also why I keep X3 PE on my computer as my primary DAW.
I truly believe learning all these other DAWs and NLE not only helped me to stay in business, they also helped prepare me for learning curves I suffered with all the radical and the abrupt departure from 8.5 to "X" changes Cakewalk made through the years from Pro Audio to SONAR Platinum.
 I'm not saying that I don't absolutely LOVE the ProChannel, and as quirky as it is at times Skylight interface is really quite nice.
 However I found it easier to get used to Studio ONE then I did the change over from 8.5 to X, LoL, and there really is some very simple things Studio ONE does I love that SONAR doesn't do.
Like marking and tabbing Intro, Verse, Bridge, Chorus, Ending of the song into movable sections, making it super easy to change the arrangement of the composition around.
 
 One of my longest running pet peeves of Cakewalk is the lack of ability to list the multi channel audio inputs separately, like on my old Delta 1010 or current Scarlett 18i20 as mono inputs 1 thru 8, like every other DAW does actually, it's not like Focusrite audio interfaces are uncommon or weird or anything.
 And NO renaming the inputs doesn't help, odd number channels are listed as left and even number channels as right.