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  • Goodbye Sonar, I've had enough. (p.17)
2017/02/27 12:13:49
Steev
Only time I've ever experienced snap to grid errors was always my fault caused either by  incorrect tempo settings in either project tempo or note resolution and or both resulting in MIDI clock drifting or a very poorly prepared and or recorded ACIDIZED loops where the first detected downbeat doesn't hit exactly on the first beat of the measure.
 1/32 Ghost notes and 1 or 2 beat lead ins with note res set to 1/16,1/8, or 1/4/ that are naturally and humanly perceived to the first downbeat note can actually belong in the in end of the measure before will do it every time and drive you crazy.  
2017/02/27 17:01:01
eph221
I work in pro tools as well as sonar.  Sonar is much more intuitive and logical, but really crashes alot. They tell everyone it's their computer (the reason for the crashes) and often there is a genuine... work around. I use sonar as a hobby daw.  Now I'll cover my head and wait for the fall out from the sonar fans.
2017/02/27 17:50:38
telecharge
eph221
Now I'll cover my head and wait for the fall out from the sonar fans.




Bring on the drama! Just kidding, but this thread already has 10.000 views and a lock has been hinted at. No doubt its staying power is irksome to the fervent fan base.
 
For me, the secret to to a stable Sonar is not updating every month and keeping a backup of a version that is stable on your system. It took me a while after monthly updates started to figure this out. I'm not seeing anything in the February update that interests me, but I could understand anyone who does a lot of takes/comping going for it.
 
Here's hoping for ripple editing in March!
2017/02/27 18:29:56
tlw
Steev
Thunderbolt is excellent on Intel i7 based systems with Z87 chipsets, but kind of a crap shoot with AMD based systems with FX 990 chipsets.
 On my system using a Focusrite Clarett plugged into an ASUS Thunderbolt PCIe card, one day it would scream heavenly and flawlessly, the next day when I booted up my computer my BIOS would even recognize it and I'd have to walk through Hell and go through a Voodoo dance to get it up and running again.
 
However the Focusrite Scarlett Gen 2 series achieves near Thunderbolt ultra low latency through USB 2 on the same system, and hooks up seamlessly to my first gen Focusrite OctoPre with ADAT optical and Word Clock, and I can have a real nice trouble free day with insane amounts of connectivity with an added bonus of 16 Focusrite really delicious sounding Focusrite preamps.


Thunderbolt offers little to no latency improvement over USB. Because USB2 has more than adequate bandwidth and speed. As does Firewire 400 for most purposes.

My UFX returns identical latency and performance through it's USB2 and FW400 ports into my i7 2.2GHz Retina MacBook Pro and the same performance into the USB ports of the now too tempremental to use reliably PC in my sig. That's Firewire into a Thunderbolt 2 port because the MacBook doesn't have firewire ports and hasn't for a while.

Once you're down to 10ms round trip latency matters very little, once reliably down to 32 samples you'll never notice any further improvement even if it can be done technologically. That's the kind of figures where you can add fifty percent to the latency by leaning back on your chair a foot.

As for Logic Pro, I've been using it a lot over the last 18 months because I don't intend building a Won10 PC just to be a DAW, and every other computer we have is Apple apart from an old PC that runs a minimalist Linux server. Logic's good, but give me the way Sonar handles routing multiple hardware MIDI ports any day.

Sonar Platinum comes with a much better set of plugins as well, with the exception perhaps of Alchemy, if you like Alchemy that is. And Sonar has a much better forum :-)
2017/02/27 19:02:31
paul jenkins
Yeah as a complete novice ide just like to say there is something easier as far as work flow that fruity loops has..........Sonars step sequencer i think i posted once before should be modelled on fruity loops, and then sonar would be the ultimate package!!!!     Like yeah a whole new beat making engine added onto sonar, and a better user freindly sampler also, similar to what reason offers.........Sonar is great, but it can always inproove, and listening to complaints and suggestions is a good way for the programmers to improove the software i think!!!
2017/02/27 21:03:35
Anderton
eph221
I work in pro tools as well as sonar.  Sonar is much more intuitive and logical, but really crashes alot. They tell everyone it's their computer (the reason for the crashes) and often there is a genuine... work around. I use sonar as a hobby daw.  Now I'll cover my head and wait for the fall out from the sonar fans.



Oddly enough on my computer, Pro Tools crashes often, but SONAR can go for months of daily use without issues. I can't help but think it has something to do with the audio interface and drivers. Clearly a) SONAR doesn't have to crash because it doesn't crash for me, and b) Pro Tools doesn't have to crash because it doesn't crash for others. 
 
I've reviewed a lot of interfaces in my time, and particular programs seem to have affinities for particular interfaces/drivers. Unfortunately it's such a moving target among the computer, operating system, host program, and interface drivers it's probably not possible to compile an authoritative list. 
2017/02/27 21:48:45
eph221
You may have a point in that, as my hobby daw, I use it on my regular computer (instead of a dedicated computer).  That makes all the difference in the world.  Just think of what can go wrong!  So if pro tools is more *stable* it might just be that more pro tools users have dedicated daw computers than sonar on computers with more consumer junk.  That might be the difference.
2017/02/27 23:19:54
Anderton
eph221
You may have a point in that, as my hobby daw, I use it on my regular computer (instead of a dedicated computer).  That makes all the difference in the world.  Just think of what can go wrong!  So if pro tools is more *stable* it might just be that more pro tools users have dedicated daw computers than sonar on computers with more consumer junk.  That might be the difference.



As much as I hate to prolong this thread...in the early days of Pro Tools, Digidesign (and maybe this carried over into Avid, I don't recall) provided support only for supported systems, which was a fairly specific and narrow list. People got all bent out of shape that "Digidesign is forcing us to use certain computers, what jerks." I said that Digi was doing them a favor because they guaranteed that Pro Tools would work if you used one of the supported systems. If you didn't, you were on your own.
 
Imagine how easy life would be for SONAR support if you had to use a computer that they had thoroughly vetted as being ideal for SONAR...
 
Interestingly enough, TASCAM has taken that approach with Track Factory. It consists of an Intel NUC computer integrated by PC Audio Labs specifically for music and specifically for SONAR Professional, along with a thoroughly tested interface. I've had the system up and running for a while now because TASCAM asked me to do some videos on getting started. The system has behaved flawlessly.
2017/02/27 23:59:00
mudgel
telecharge
eph221
Now I'll cover my head and wait for the fall out from the sonar fans.




Bring on the drama! Just kidding, but this thread already has 10.000 views and a lock has been hinted at. No doubt its staying power is irksome to the fervent fan base.
 
For me, the secret to to a stable Sonar is not updating every month and keeping a backup of a version that is stable on your system. It took me a while after monthly updates started to figure this out. I'm not seeing anything in the February update that interests me, but I could understand anyone who does a lot of takes/comping going for it.
 
Here's hoping for ripple editing in March!


I update every month. Only had to rollback twice in over 2 years of using Sonar Platinum. If there's some feature that doesn't interest me one month, because the builds are accumulative, I'll get it the following month anyway albeit with a fix and then some. It's not like I can avoid those features unless I stop updating altogether.

I'm a fervent fan.
2017/02/28 00:36:07
eph221
I've been buying cakewalk since the very beginning;  I'm a fan as well.  And the dedicated hardware that Craig mentioned is fascinating. Perhaps moi dost protest too much.  It's not like music is my main income.  And, I imagine those for whom it is their lifeblood, they'd have a dedicated computer for Sonar.  TA!
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