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2017/02/27 19:43:08
jackroller
paul jenkins
Thanx, sorry to confuse things, my main issue is after i record drums using addictive drums onto individual tracks, it no longer registers in addictive drums kit veiw, so i cant go back and change kit pieces after ive recorded.Why?


Because you've recorded the Addictive Drums audio output in the same manner as if you'd recorded real drums.  You can't change the drums out once they've been recorded.  If you want to be able to change the kit pieces on the fly you need to be using a MIDI track to trigger the performance.  It IS completely possible to route AD to external tracks and use SONAR's Console View for mixing and fx, while still using a MIDI track.   Exporting to audio should be your final step.
2017/02/27 19:47:10
jackroller
One more thing, Addictive Drums doesn't send MIDI out so you can't record the performance in that way.  "Drag and drop patterns into the track view" is the only way to get MIDI onto an external track.
2017/02/27 20:05:50
gbowling
paul jenkins
i fail to be able to use the sounds off the dtx700 module with sonar,thats what im having issues with



Ok, let's start with this. If you have a midi track, maybe one you created by dragging a loop from AD2. Can't you just set the output of the midi track to go to the DTX? You might need some note mapping to trigger the correct sounds on the DTX. Then if you want to record those on an audio track, just patch the out of your DTX into your audio interface and record an audio track in sonar. I actually do that with a Ddrum module some times.
 
paul jenkins
 Apparently according to the dtx manual, you are ment to send the signal from the dtx into sonar THROUGH sonar (i cant find the through setting), out into the dtx module, which buzzes the module sound and bounces it back onto a seperate track in sonar

 
I don't understand what you're trying to do here. Ok, so you're hitting your edrums, which creates and audio output and a midi output. Why would you route the midi through sonar back to the DTX to trigger it and then record the audio output of the DTX? Seems like if you want the audio from the DTX recorded, you would just take the audio out of it into an audio track and hit record, forget the midi.  If the DTX has individual outs (I'm not familiar with it) then you could record the individual kit pieces to separate tracks.
 
gabo
2017/02/27 22:50:22
paul jenkins
Yo gabo"the moderns".......yeah i know what your saying about just recording audio out of the dtx and simply press record..........the dtx 700 doesnt have individual outs, unfortunately, cause thats what i was looking for when i bought it, the edrums that has that option was way too expensive........Yes the whole reason im trying to do it this way,is because it says you can do it in the manual, and there is a guy from yamaha demonstrating how you can do this.......as in midi through and back into sonar......only what and how they say to do it doesnt seem to work!!!.......and tech support at yamaha has little idea either.......Yeah its got me f..d.............ill probably end up either using it as a trigger for addictive drums or just recording straight into my interface as audio!!!!
2017/02/27 22:53:35
paul jenkins
And they say that every daw has a midi through option????????????i cant see any midi through options.....and yes ive managed  to get a midi signal in sonar with all ins and outs for dtx700 in and out, but i cant hear anything.........the whole purpose is to use the sounds of the dtx module????????????
 
2017/02/27 22:57:06
paul jenkins
one thing i did get working was addictive drums with my dtx700 as atrigger.....i went all synths mono output, seperate out in addictive drums, assigned all inputs to addictive drums......and everything recorded, and i had signal when i played back
 
 
2017/02/28 08:32:27
gbowling
 
Haha, you're a hoot Paul! Bummer about not having individual outs for your edrum. Yes those modules can be expensive. I'm not sure how looping the midi through sonar and back to the DTX solves that problem, but maybe there is a way.
 
Sounds like you got something working for you at least a little bit. For the midi through option you're talking about it's called "input echo" in sonar. It's a button right on the midi channel. You can read about how it works here
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR%20X2&language=3&help=Playback.34.html
 
But I still don't understand how looping it through sonar is going to do anything different. You're basically just sending the same midi signals back to the box it came from. Where are the youtube vids you've mentioned about how to do what you're trying to do? Maybe I could watch those and understand what it is  you're trying to do.
 
gabo
2017/02/28 08:43:29
Slugbaby
Shot in the dark....
It sounds like you've got your DTX to trigger AD, and it sounds like you can record the Audio output of AD.
But you want to be able to amend it...
 
Are you wanting to record the MIDI from the DTX, which you could then send through AD for the kit sounds?  Giving you the ability to edit both the performance (MIDI) and kit sounds in AD...
2017/02/28 21:36:51
paul jenkins
https://youtu.be/KxL8oU8ZtYA
So thats the video url, guy from yamaha.......and this is the link for dtx 700 manual
http://download.yamaha.com/search/product/?language=en&site=ca.yamaha.com&category_id=16139&product_id=1469372
The bit about connecting to computer is page 52 - 54.......mainly 53
Yeah, i think ive figured out whats going on though, yeah maybe it just means, you send midi data to sonar, as well as line out a stereo single track audio, and then you could re-record using the same take(midi data) back through the dtx700 to try different kits!!!???........or at least you have the midi data to then feed into addictive drums as slugbaby suggested!!!...........maybe thats what its about........im thinkin at least doing it this way it would solve the problem where i cant figure out how to assign choke feature to addictive drums, because i would have recorded the track hearing the dtx700 sounds where choke works very smoothly, and actually, playing the dtx700 with its on sounds etc is much smoother than using it as atrigger..........So yeah maybe this is a good way to do it, record it 1st using dtx sounds and then feed that midi into addictive drums.
2017/02/28 21:46:01
paul jenkins
And yes the main reason of feeding midi into addictive drums is simply so i can have each drum piece on a seperate track........which it is a real shame you cant do individual outs from the dtx, because there are some nice kits and sounds on that thing. Especially the world music kits
 
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