Hello all,
 
New to the forum - I purchased Music Creator 6 about 6 months ago and have been using it with vst plugin instruments. Last night I tried to record a MIDI part using a plugin with patch changes. The patch changes picked up as events with no problem, and when I listened back to the MIDI track, everything sounded as it should in terms of when the program changes occurred. However, when I exported the audio of the MIDI track and played the file in a different DAW, I noticed that although the notes were all correct and the timing of the notes was fine, the program changes were not occurring at the right time; they seemed delayed. I'm not sure if this is due to something being set incorrectly or a bug/limitation of Music Creator 6, or something in my system configuration. I am running Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit with an Intel motherboard with integrated audio.
 
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or recommendations!

kind of odd, but might be related to latency.  the onboard soundcard cannot reach low latencies.

which VST instrument are you using for output?

j_p_312

However, when I exported the audio of the MIDI track and played the file in a different DAW, I noticed that although the notes were all correct and the timing of the notes was fine, the program changes were not occurring at the right time; they seemed delayed.

I'm not sure I understand this statement.
The exported audio would be a wav or possibly MP3 file. MIDI events are no longer part of the picture.
Are both DAWs on the same system?
Is the track(file) properly aligned with the tracks in the second DAW?
It may be related to latency, as Beagle suggested.
Can you give us more detail, system specs, how you are working this file into your project?
Does the exported audio file play properly in Windows Media Player?

I think I just found a workaround, but here's a little more info: I was trying to export the MIDI track events as a .wav file and then load the .wav file into Adobe Audition as an audio track. The track was properly synced up in terms of when the notes were playing; it was just that the patch changes within the audio were occurring too late. What I was trying to do was record a B3 organ track using a MIDI plugin (Organized Trio). I set up 2 user patches that were identical except that one had the rotating speaker sound in the slow mode, and the other had it in the fast mode. As I recorded the MIDI track, I changed patches to give the effect of the Leslie speaker cabinet speeding up and slowing down. (Organized Trio does a nice job of actually having the sound speed up and slow down.) Anyway, when I originally created the .wav file from the MIDI track, I found that the notes that I played were timed up just fine, but the speed changes were delayed. I did some more experimenting tonight and found a workaround. The first thing I tried was to freeze the MIDI track in Music Creator. Before I froze the track, the patch changes sounded like they were supposed to, but after I froze the track, they sounded like they were delayed, even though the notes were not delayed. I went into the Freeze Options menu and deselected Quick Freeze. I then tried to freeze the track again, and though it took longer, the patch transitions occured at the right times. So I exported the frozen track as a .wav file, loaded it back into Adobe Audition, and everything sounded the way I intended. Thanks for your feedback and interest, Beagle and RobertB.

Nice that you found a workaround. Or actually, if the case is that this particular VST doesn't like Fast Bounce/Quick Freeze, it's not even a workaround.
The slightly distracting detail earlier was maybe this:

"...when I exported the audio of the MIDI track and played the file in a different DAW,.."


It maybe gave the impression you thought the DAW was a relevant factor, allthough, when the audio is exported, it plays exactly the same in all reproduction systems. If there are delays or whatever, you hear them exactly the same no matter what software or player.

Your last post makes me think there might be a similar hickup with Quick Freeze as there is with Fast Bounce. Many VSTs don't like Fast Bounce. (I did not know there is a "Quick Freeze" in MC6, you're not talking about "Fast Bounce", are you??)

AFAIK there's no "look-ahead-type" of function regarding the patch changes, so I wouldn't be surprised by minor delays in automated patch changes. Changing of the patch may simply require some time, depending on the patch and synth (loading samples??). When possible, it might be worth trying to position the patch change a little (50-500 ms??) earlier.

you can also use BOUNCE TO TRACK.... and there is the option to deselect the fast bounce. 

Most of the time for me, the fast bounce works fine. But I have on occasion needed to redo the bounce using the slow bounce.... I take a break and go downstairs for a few minutes and come back later...and it's done.

Guitarhacker


you can also use BOUNCE TO TRACK.... and there is the option to deselect the fast bounce. 

But is there a "Quick freeze"? I was wondering and google found nothing.

in post 4 JP refers to freezing fast & slow. 

BTW JP, if you use a browser other than FireFox you can format the post so it's easier to read.

Just a thought.... I use Chrome when I'm on this forum.