Hello forum,

I've been trying to paste room tone over gaps in my audio, but when I do, the underlying clip is still audible. I don't want dead silence as that is too much of a drop to the ears.

This is what I did as a test (please excuse the mouse writing):





I moved a copy of that left section on track 1 over track 2, but I can still hear it. I tried that bounce clips thing, but that didn't do anything. It was still a separate entity on the track.


Thank you,

Lee.

I'm having a hard time remembering what tools are available in MC6, but this looks like a good candidate for a technique called ducking.  You might want to look in the techniques forum for how to set it up.  It basically involves using a send from track 1 to drive a compressor against track 2.  It automatically pushes down (ducks) the volume on track 2 when there is sound on track 1.  Best thing is you don't have to mess with lots of cutting and pasting and track automation stuff and it sounds natural.
 
Glen

Hello Glen,

I'll check out ducking. It's mainly for voice-over work when clients don't want to hear breaths. When I was testing Reaper, I just copied a section of room tone, pasted it over and 'glued' the tracks together. Simple.

Thank you for your suggestion.

All  the best,

Lee.

AFAIK ducking is the same as sidechain compression. It automatically compresses the "base track" when there's audio in the overdub track. I can't see how it could be used for silencing breath noises, which sounds more like a gating thing.

Naturally, you can simply paste the  room noise on the track. Whether the underlying clip remains audible or not, depends on your record settings, you choose either "Overwrite", "Blend old and new" or "Move over to make room".

Kalle Rantaaho


AFAIK ducking is the same as sidechain compression. It automatically compresses the "base track" when there's audio in the overdub track. I can't see how it could be used for silencing breath noises, which sounds more like a gating thing.

Naturally, you can simply paste the  room noise on the track. Whether the underlying clip remains audible or not, depends on your record settings, you choose either "Overwrite", "Blend old and new" or "Move over to make room".

Hello Kalle,
Thank you for the information. I'll try those options.


All the best,


Lee.

leebut


Hello forum,

I've been trying to paste room tone over gaps in my audio, but when I do, the underlying clip is still audible. I don't want dead silence as that is too much of a drop to the ears.

This is what I did as a test (please excuse the mouse writing):





I moved a copy of that left section on track 1 over track 2, but I can still hear it. I tried that bounce clips thing, but that didn't do anything. It was still a separate entity on the track.


Thank you,

Lee.

Not quite sure what you mean but I'll guess.

Looks like the blue track has a gap that needs to be filled.  so you can do several things.  simply copy the blue (record 1 busy) clip and paste it into the hole....or insert a new track and paste it into that track. this way the ambient sound of the room is there. I would try to trim it to the exact start and end point on the timeline for the gap since overlap may show up as slightly louder room sound/noise. Editing must be exact so it avoids a click or artifact of editing. Cross fading with envelopes and let the clips overlap a bit is probably the best way to keep it seamless. 


A better solution would be to use envelopes. In the blue track use the envelope to keep the volume at ZERO (all the way down) so you have total silence. unless the room noise is absolutely critical. 


If you are trying to have silence or just room noise and the "underlying audio" in the pink track is sounding through..... you can use envelopes in the pink track to control it's level in the mix as well. 


When I work, I DO NOT use the layering capability of the DAW to have multiple clips in a track in the same place at the same time. Since the DAW can easily handle many tracks, I prefer to have each clip in it's own track. Easier to deal with and control. 


If you have two clips in the same place, simply add/insert a new audio track and drag one of the clips into the new track. 

I think we just had this discussion in another thread.  I am pretty sure that "ducking" AKA "sidechaining" is not an available feature in MC.

Guitarhacker, I understood it so, that the grey clip with writing on it contains the ambience noise, and the problem is that the audio clip under  it remains audible. That's why I suggested checking record options. I'm not saying I've understood correctly.

Kalle Rantaaho


Guitarhacker, I understood it so, that the grey clip with writing on it contains the ambience noise, and the problem is that the audio clip under  it remains audible. That's why I suggested checking record options. I'm not saying I've understood correctly.

Yes Kalle, you are correct.


The grey clip on track 2 (pink) has been copied from track 1 (blue), the idea being that the content of track 1 will mask track 2's audio. I should have perhaps dragged it into a gap in track 2 to make it more clear.


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Thanks again,


Lee.

dragging a clip of low level ambient noise over a clip of something else louder will not solve the issue. The louder stuff will sound through. 

You must do as I pointed out. use envelopes and put the ambient noise into a new track. pull the stuff down that you don't want to hear. 

With multi track capability, it doesn't matter how many tracks are used to accomplish something.  Just be sure to have the same FX in the tracks or run the tracks into a buss with the FX so they all sound the same. 

Example: In my song The Best Christmas, I have 4 slightly different leads playing in 4 different tracks. Using envelopes, I pick and choose the parts of each track I want and send them all to a buss with the FX. Listening to the song you can not tell it was 4 different tracks.

I zoom in to make the edits surgical in nature.  In the pic below, I did the same thing with 3 piano tracks to get the fills I liked best. I don't use the layers in the tracks, I prefer using as many tracks as is needed.