I purchased separately Rapture, Dimension Pro, and Z3TA+ 2 and then later Sonar Platinum. I don't see pricing for all of that. :-) I'll pass on the $79.00. But great to see you are working on these synths.

Doktor Avalanche
I still don't see the problem, Rap Pro etc handles it for you, when doing imports most software should be able to handle FLAC fine.

I have no idea how much time and trouble is spent uncompressing samples, but it is work being done for nothing.  Maybe conversion is actually faster since less is being read from disk.
 
I converted all my DimPro and SD3 samples to wavs (the ones that were flac, they're not all flac) just so that everyone would be using the same format and I could use any sample with any program.  Not all software recognizes flac, Rapture being an important one, and older Audition.  The samples do take up more space, for example DimPro stock library 6.5gb flac vs 10.9gb wav, but there is just so much disk space (even on my 128gb SSD) that size doesn't matter.
 
 

Doktor Avalanche
I still don't see the problem, Rap Pro etc handles it for you, when doing imports most software should be able to handle FLAC fine. As to this 'pureity' concept not understandng that at all it's lossless compression. Maybe I should ring up Neil Young... And talk to some audiophile hipsters ;).

You are correct, it's not a big problem alone ... but could be as layers are added, just like cheap cables or an unbalanced patchbay sitting on a hot PA.
And these days most software does, but all should be able to handle flac! lol
 
And not as an argument brother, just to explain where I'm coming from....
Purity is a concept, and so is lossless..... it is the same thing really, I do however see it as the "bigger picture".
Every compression has some loss, even if it's nominal.
In fact, any duplication has loss right off the bat.... and as a sound-man,  we strive to capture the sound as heard.
I either want to preserve as much as possible or tweak it into another being altogether.
"Lossless compression" is a term, much like "light ice cream". lol
 
A carpenter will tell you a quarter inch on this end could equal a foot at the other, and as a producer I want as much control as I can dig up, whether I'm using a shovel or a toothpick.... every little bit counts, especially when doing a 23 track filmscore vs when I'm playing a 5 piece rock tune.
 
As a filmmaker, I want a flat lifeless picture style.. no added vibrance or color, that's my job to add.
When I paint, pure color and material, and as a musician I want the recording fast and while I'm in my personal sweet-spot so that is the only time to cut corners ... and any musicians performance comes first, but the rest I can control.
If I strive to keep it pure from the time I create my empty tracks, then it will be purer when it comes time to mix and master.
That way I can add the color and feeling and not have to concentrate on removing and repairing.
It's the same as using buses instead of duplicating track effects etc. ... they both work, but one is a shorter trip than the other.
Flac serves a great purpose, and arguably the next best answer to uncompressed, but it still adds a step even to the best systems.
 
Audiophiles are on the same tree-branch only because they also invest in high-end gear for their passion, but they sit on another limb than a producer because they want their gear to boost bass freqs etc and give them the best sound, and a $6k set of studio monitors will sound dull to them in comparison.... but that's what I need to work.... no added flavor.
 
I won't speak for Mr. Young, but it probably depends on which chair his butt rests at the time... pre or post.
But have him call me ... he won't return my calls! lol
 
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Just came from a climate change forum which is totally insane with idiots and now this... OY! is the human race just falling apart?
Ya like it, ya get it;
ya on the fense... wait....
ya don't, bug off... 
ya think the world owes you a free lunch?  Try teleporting into The Next Generation... would be nice but we ain't there yet.
 
I've always loved "rapture"... and it's the perfect name... look forward
to supporting the developers.

Doktor Avalanche

fantini
Are Rapture Pro's multisamples in wav rather than flac.  I certainly prefer wav files.  Originally, Dimension Pro used wav files but somewhere along the way, the newer versions began to use flac files.
I found the original DPro wav files worked for me in many Rapture projects.  To me, the DPro multisamples sound better in Rapture. 

FLAC files have all the benefits of WAV but use far less hard drive space as it is compressed. The compression is not lossy so you will not lose out on quality. I don't see what there is not to like. I wish people would use FLAC more.

Rapture does not accept flac files in it's elements, so , that's part of the problem for me.  I realize there is software that can change flac files into wav files, but I haven't had the time to try it yet.  Wav files are so cross platform and universal in nature I can load them into other synths.....say Octopus or Harmor.  Also, I'm use to editing wav files, but as of yet, I am not sure how you would loop a flac file, among other things.  Basically I'm 85% with you on the advantages of flac files. Maybe when my VLC Media Player stops making those ugly roadside cones to replace all my wav files, I'll be 100%.

Thanks for the posts... Just a couple of points... 

sylent
Every compression has some loss, even if it's nominal.

I haven't done a null test but it should be bit perfect and should have no loss.
 

sylent
Rapture does not accept flac files in it's elements, so , that's part of the problem for me. 

 
I think it's reasonable (however not confirmed) to assume that Rapture Pro accepts Flac across the board so hopefully will resolve all your problems. For me I hope to see a day where WAV gets completely replaced by FLAC. The death of MP3 would be a good thing as well, but ain't gonna happen any time soon. Processor speeds double every year (aka Moores law) and our processors can easily decode it quickly before playback. Hard drives may be cheap but it's still a finite resource and who doesn't want to save money, but more importantly internet bandwidth (when transferring files) can be a big limitation for some.
 
If the world adopted FLAC is would be a better place, sadly though the world still hasn't replaced broken SMTP (how your email works) with something better, mainly down to lack of mass adoption, so I guess I'm an idealist.

AT
But no way is it a "fix" that needs to be included with SONAR...

 
AT, it may not need to be included with Sonar, but it does need fixing. Rapture is a regular problem for me. When I have to watch the processor levels while I play, and play slower when they approach too high because the synth will crash and I'll have to restart Sonar to fix it, that's a bug. 
 
Now, I want to add that I'm playing my GR20 guitar synth. I have to have a stack of those midi filters to make it so I can change patches on the Roland Gr20 without having to restart Sonar.
 
I love playing the synth, but it needs fixing. I don't want to pay for a wrapper of synth I have to handle gingerly already. I want a robust synth that can take what I give it. Spread the load across processors.
 
The cost doesn't matter to me so much. I just want it to work as I play it.

Well we can reasonably assume Rapture and Dim Pro will not be fixed as now it's legacy (even though it's included with Sonar).


I hope however Cakewalk can now put in a policy that all their 'modern' plugins will get fixes much like Platinum, from that I mean all Pro Channel and all synths made since Z3TA+2. I suspect there will be an effort to integrate these into CCC, rapture Pro has probably already been done. Supplying the packages with regular fixes would be an excellent course of action much like Native instruments does with their plugins or indeed how Cakewalk is now attempting with Sonar.

Rapt shouldn't choke your computer, of course.
 
Somehow I doubt we'll be seeing regular fixes of Rapt 2 once they get it stabilized.  I do hope they put time in for new libraries, which always helps keep a synth contemporary and in the front of mind.

AT
Somehow I doubt we'll be seeing regular fixes of Rapt 2 once they get it stabilized.

If they just stabilize it and get it sort of working like they did with Dim Pro or Rapture and leave it without supporting/fixing other stuff, in other words business as usual, then I'd probably end up opting for using other synth/samplers with more support and stick with the old versions until I drop them. I hope however with the new "Splat" philosophy that won't happen so maintain an open mind, so far though no word yet, I shall be patient.