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2017/02/04 10:58:37
amiller
How do I delay the start of a track by millisecond(s) in Sonar so that I can use the Haas effect for stereo imaging?

For reference here is the definition of the Haas effect:

"This term pertains to the psychoacoustic phenomenon of sound source localization. If a sound source is presented to our ears at the same level, but one arrives just a few milliseconds later, our hearing mechanism will judge the sound to be coming from the side of the head where the earliest sound arrived. How far to one side or the other depends on the difference in time between the sound arriving at each ear. This is true for arriving sounds up to about 25 milliseconds of delay, after which it will begin to sound like two distinct sounds. This phenomenon is used in all kinds of audio production techniques to help position various instruments around the stereo (or three-dimensional) soundfield without creating imbalances in the levels of the left versus right signals.

The effect is also called the precedence effect and means that if there are two sources of sound, as is often the case with PA systems or studio monitoring systems, the sound will be localized to the speaker that provides the earliest sound. The other speaker will not be heard at all it some cases."
2017/02/04 11:10:30
Anderton
Channel Tools will do what you want.
2017/02/04 11:18:44
amiller
Anderton
Channel Tools will do what you want.


Do you know if Channel Tools uses track delay to achieve the results?
2017/02/04 12:46:51
bitman
Select the haas track. zoom in a lot and slide it all right till you like it. That's how I do it. Also there is a free plug by psp I think, called sample delay.
2017/02/04 12:58:19
chuckebaby
similar to what bitman said, zoom in close and use the Nudge feature (# 1 or #3) to slide the content.
but as Craig said, I've had great results using channel tools. its the tool I reach for when I have exhausted all resources looking for a way to make an instrument, vocals, exc stand out in a mix.
2017/02/04 13:00:48
tlw
amiller
Anderton
Channel Tools will do what you want.


Do you know if Channel Tools uses track delay to achieve the results?


Yes. In both milliseconds and samples. Just load it onto an audio track and you'll see what it does.

Cakewalk have a video about it here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zUCZ__sTM8
2017/02/04 15:44:38
PhilW
Voxengo has a free one too, Stereo Delay/Widener.  
2017/02/04 21:26:33
robert_e_bone
Can't you just do what Tony Banks of Genesis used to do and take either the left or right mono track of let's say a nice lush organ that was recorded in stereo as L/R mono and apply a slight delay to just one side?  It's not anything complicated - just put whatever short delay on one side or the other and that's it.
 
Really fattens it up, though - even with just that little short delay.
 
Bob Bone
 
2017/02/04 22:09:28
konradh
I slide one track forward and one back so the overall effect does not sound out of time.
2017/02/05 01:19:45
Anderton
amiller
How do I delay the start of a track by millisecond(s) in Sonar so that I can use the Haas effect for stereo imaging?



Just remember, always check the results in mono. There could be cancellations at shorter delay times.
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