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2017/02/04 23:22:55
Paul G
When I try to export individual tracks, (audio clips), they render at +3dB louder than the original.  I don't remember ever having this problem before but I must be doing something wrong.  Here's what I'm doing:
 
Solo track > select audio clip > File > Export > Audio > Tracks > deselect all the options except "Fast Bounce" > Select 'Mono' > Name file > Export.  When I bring the clip back into the project and compare it against the original, it's +3dB louder.  Some of the tracks I exported were as much as +6dB louder!
 
Now here's where it gets interesting.  I exported a stereo piano track and it was fine, same level as the original.  The next two mono tracks I exported were also fine.  Then, back to +3dB louder.  Rebooted, rolled back, nada.
 
I've got to be doing something wrong.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  TIA
 
Paul
 
 
2017/02/05 11:45:02
Slenderhead
Same for me, would love to know what exactly am doing wrong.
2017/02/05 12:23:25
gcolbert
What stereo panning law have you chosen (Preferences->Driver Settings)?
 
Glen
2017/02/05 14:26:37
Paul G
gcolbert
What stereo panning law have you chosen (Preferences->Driver Settings)?
 
Glen


I tried all of the Sine/Co-Sine options and the 0dB option and it made no difference. 
 
Very confusing.  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.  TIA
2017/02/05 15:27:38
Bristol_Jonesey
Can you post a screenshot of your Export Dialog box?
2017/02/05 22:45:56
Paul G
As best as I can remember, here's what I did to finally get the project exported.
 
I changed the "Pan Law Compatibility Mode" to <1> and used the default Stereo Panning Law, 0dB center, sin/cos taper, constant power.  I don't know if this made a difference or not.

     [wave]

     PanLawCompatMode=1
 
Stereo tracks appeared to export normally.  Don't ask me why.

Mono tracks that were panned either right or left, (not necessarily hard right or left), seemed to work using this formula fairly consistently, (although not always):

Copy the audio clip to another lane, (I did this to preserve my original clip), highlight it and then add a clip automation-gain envelope to it, (set at +0dB).  Bounce that envelope to the clip and then export normally.

Mono tracks panned up the middle were all over the place and I couldn't find a formula that worked consistently.  No rhyme or reason to it that I could see.  Sometimes they would export at a lower level, sometimes at a higher level, anywhere from 1dB to 6dB.  Sometimes by adding a clip gain envelope and raising the level, the resulting export would be lower in level and sometimes, the opposite.  By trial and error, and sometimes using a combination of steps, I finally got them exported fairly close to the original levels but not exact.

I set the Export Audio DB as follows:

Source = Tracks
Channel Format = Stereo or Mono (as applicable)
Sample Rate = 44100
Bit depth = 24
Dithering = Pow-r 3
Mix Enables= All off except Fast Bounce and 64-bit Engine
I enabled the Clip Automation as needed
 
Something that is very interesting is that other strange things periodically cropped up.  For example, the Clip Envelope Editing tools would just stop working.  A reboot fixed it.  I was also getting some strange behavior with the Smart Tool.  Occasionally, when I'd move the mouse from the Clips Pane left into the Tracks Pane, I was still getting smart tool pointers.  Very strange.
 
If no one else but Slenderhead is seeing this behavior,there's got to be something wrong with my system.  This is a brand new computer build and all fresh installs.  I did have to go to a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 USB interface as my old PCI Delta 66 was too noisy to use, (PCI bridging issues).  Any ideas on what I may have screwed up?
 
Thanks for any ideas.
 
Paul
 
2017/02/05 22:53:22
Paul G
Bristol_Jonesey
Can you post a screenshot of your Export Dialog box?



Thanks Colin.  I used several variations of settings both last night and this afternoon.  See my post above for the settings that finally worked.  Way too convoluted of a work around.
 
Paul
2017/02/06 22:34:13
Unknowen
set your primary output 3dBs lower...  last slider on the right in the console view.
 
 
2017/02/07 03:56:11
Bristol_Jonesey
11Dreams
set your primary output 3dBs lower...  last slider on the right in the console view.
 
 


That doesn't solve his problem
 
Paul, under Source Category, try selecting your Main Outs (might be called Hardware Outputs). Solo the track and export again
2017/02/07 07:08:23
Unknowen
Bristol_Jonesey
11Dreams
set your primary output 3dBs lower...  last slider on the right in the console view.
 
 


That doesn't solve his problem
 
Paul, under Source Category, try selecting your Main Outs (might be called Hardware Outputs). Solo the track and export again


Good to know :) Thank you!
I setup an export with all options. Track was same as Track, Bus was the same as bus, the rest went though out through the audio interface.

 
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