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2015/09/10 13:46:58
Sir Les
I have been trying to do the clone process with Acronis 2014 PREM boot medium....
 
When I do it to my ssd Adata sp600 250gb drive...when I boot into it, the desktop flashes, and is unusable.
I tried this a few times, undoing some setup tweaks also said to do, to stop intrusion of...data sharing....catrina or something like that turned off...So in one instance I did go back to a default before cloning again...Still did not work.
 
So...with OEM users or buyers...Beware...One machine , one install....if that is, and it seems to be...You will not be allowed to clone anymore...
 
If you buy the full version of OS...You can only install on one system at a time....one drive...it seems....
 
Now I tried to install it onto the ssd...win 8.1 on installation asks ,...Do you want to install win 10 upgrade for free.....If you say yes...it will ask for a key code....but it will not take win 8.1 key...and no other key is given for win 10.
 
So a reinstall is required from  the ground up, in my case...activation of win 8.1, put in all the drivers for, and setup...then when ready...perhaps win 10 might be able to be installed onto the SSD....(but he said if you already have it installed on another drive, it will be detected if connected to the internet, and might be shut down or caused to not work)...in my case flashing desktop with no control of anything to stop it , other than turn off PC or restart to other boot drive.
 
I was told by MS chat...if the system detection of more than one install is done with X key...win 10 may not be available again for that system.
 
As for cloning...they chat person said...It is a third party issue, and to call Arconis if something is not cloning correctly...
 
I never had a issues with cloning with Arconis 2014 until today!.
 
Wow.....Anyone chime in on this?
2015/09/10 14:32:08
fireberd
You may want to ask this on the Windows 10 forum. 
http://www.tenforums.com/
 
I tried cloning when I went from hard drives to SSD's on Win 7 and Win 8 and was unsuccessful.  We had a long thread on this on the Windows 7 forum, including the Guru's, and the conclusion was it will work on some and not others.   My cloning didn't work, using the supplied clone program that Samsung includes with new SSD's, using Macrium Reflect (paid version) and Clonezilla.  I was successful by doing a back up (disk image) to a USB connected hard drive and then restoring to the new SSD's. 
 
Win 10 is tied to the hardware (the "free" version) so there may be other issues.  The people on the Win 10 forum should be able answer/help you.
2015/09/10 15:33:18
Sir Les
THANKS FIREBIRD...I seem to be out of luck with cloning...no way is now availible, as I have spoken to MS chat support on many levels....even buying win 10 pro, will not allow cloning!...As they keep saying to me it is not possible anymore.
 
So, I do not know if one can make a image of a working drives boot and setup, and all installed keys/licences/software and apps any more for fast backup/solutions...if anything goes belly up, on a working project/session....and being non reliant on internet.
 
the Acronis site is selling cloud backup....but MS says that does not work as cloning....So?...we are screwed on this it seems?
 
Again thanks...I will go read up as you say....I'm sure some kid, is working to undermine the undermining of this: sure fire way to get up and running in minutes...by doing a clone of a stable state of bliss.
 
cheers.
 
2015/09/10 17:46:59
fireberd
I have a full drive (SSD) of Win 10 that is made with Macrium Reflect V6 (paid version).  I haven't tried to restore from the backup but I don't expect to have any problems since it will be restored to the same PC hardware. 
 
I used to use Acronis but after some restore failures I moved on to Macrium.
2015/09/10 18:08:13
Doktor Avalanche
I swapped out a hard drive with a SSD the other day with an acronis clone no problems whatsoever (Win10,acronis 2015). Same PC.

In theory I could have done a clone transferring to another PC providing I have had performed at least one Win10 upgrade on the destination PC. I will try in the next few months.

Anyway whoever was on the MS helpdesk that particular day were clearly talking out of their behinds.
2015/09/10 18:27:53
Sir Les
Well, it seems, I have reinstalled the win 8.1 pro oem on the ssd, directly...and in the activation of...it says clearly it is in use on another machine...Which is not true, it is on the same machine, different drive..Same machine ID...
So what gives with that?
 
I guess, I must buy another licence for my minky.....ssd...
 
Thanks Alex....can you remote view and take a look?....I can buy Acronis 2015 as a update, and send you a cheque for you testing time...if you wish to further this to a positive...but as it is seeing a key used on the other drive, or it is logged with them, as being used and installed on x drive, and tied to win 10 upgrade free...I see no fruits will be with this 8.1 oem key...
 
a unused licence will be necessary....that is usable on the ssd, as this will not work or activate in any form now..as win 8.1, or reinstall of win 10...through...and I have not been able to clone the HD to SSD....and I tried almost all things with 2014 acronis....uefi is set in bios...HD win 10 is working under...setup and all drivers in, and audio installed, and thunderbolt works...so far in the installing.....So I got that...
 
When I finish installing all my products and key codes..and plugins, and all that stuff...It Goes way too long to reinstall all that, if something goes south with the system.
 
And we all know Alex....That I do that a lot....so cloning is a good thing once everything is going ok...or great.
So far, it is just Sonar...and Chrome, and some other things of needed utilities to unrar and such.
 
Any hoot...I will now download Acronis 2016...and install on the HD...and try that.
 
If it is just a update thing...But I do not think it is....because Acronis is tooting cloud backup and all that is installed to....Not liking cloud....still have to reinstall....and who knows about keys codes and such.
 
So back to the lab.....Let me know Alex....I do appreciate you knowledge, and what magic you might do..if you feel you can....
 
I should get to it though myself....first.
Regards!
 
Sir Les
 
2015/09/10 19:38:55
Sir Les
Here is another talking out of their behind?
 
we changed how Windows activation works, so making a copy of the operating system won't work anymore. You don't use a key to activate it. You use your Microsoft account. We changed it because people were cloning systems and using illegal extra copies on other computers without paying for the extra copies.
 
Now all suffer because of Pirates!...oh well.
 
 
2015/09/10 20:13:08
Sir Les
OK..IF...I remove the HD drive with win 10...after a clone is done...then what happens?
 
Could be that this is not going to work from what I am being told by MS...the horse behind...
 
And what I am saying is...It does not clone with Acronis 2014....if the HD is still in the system...I must see if it boots to the clone...which it kind of does, but seems not working or usable...
 
If I then log in to my account...and sync the new clone and remove the HD licence...I might get back to business?....
 
Well as for the Copy paste of the answer again, from another well to do chat rep...
I did not get further than the answer...and they cut the chat.
 
So it could be just the OEM is a issue...as firebird said...once installed with OEM and tied to the upgrade 10...You are locked in...to that setup.
 
Does not seem MS want to talk about it.// on chat, either in buying store/asl a rep/ or in tech support chat...as I have been cut off from asking more questions to them directly...
 
The only other way is to forum, or call the number .....and pester them with my need for education on the new inner workings and allowances of this OS.
 
 
2015/09/10 22:28:27
Orphaned at Birth
I have both cloned Win10 to another drive, the installed to same PC, also restored a Win10 from a backup, both no issues, both Acronis TI 2016
2015/09/11 03:48:05
slartabartfast
If you had installed Win 10 on the same machine, and you try to install it again (not make a copy of a previous installation) the expected behavior is that the new installation of Windows 10 will pass activation. Changing one piece of equipment on the machine (replace a hard drive with and SSD) should not alter the hash associated with the old machine, and you should not have a problem. If on the other hand you try to move an old installation to a new machine, or to install a copy of Windows 10 that has already passed activation on another machine, it should fail for the reason that it is the machine that is licensed not the user. When you activate your Windows installation it sends a machine specific hash from the machine on which you are activating to the Microsoft activation servers that permanently links that particular machine to that activation. If you are trying to do a new install of Win 10 on the previously activated machine, you need to just ignore the request for a code. The Win 8 code will not work, and there is no Win 10 code, you are given the opportunity to skip the code--do so every time. Windows 10 should install, and then contact the activation servers with the old machine hash and authorize without a problem. Note that in every case, where you are using the free upgrade, you MUST do the upgrade from inside Win 7 or Win 8 on the same machine, and activate the new Win 10 installation or there will not be a record of the machine hash on the activation server. If you have made a copy of your original fully activated Win 10 upgrade installation onto a new hard drive or SSD in the same machine as the one on which a copy was originally activated, and it does not behave as if fully activated try to force activation:
Steps to force activation of Windows 10
Step 1: Launch the Start Menu and search for Command Prompt. Then right-click it and select "Run as Administrator" from the context menu.
Step 2: Once the Command Prompt launches, type: slmgr.vbs –rearm and hit Enter to execute the command.
Step 3: Quit the Command Prompt window and reboot. 
 
http://www.howtogeek.com/224342/how-to-clean-install-windows-10/
 
Part of your problem dealing with MS is that it is not clear what you mean by clone. It is certainly possible to restore a system image of an activated Win 10 installation, which is what you are doing. A clone sounds like you are making a copy. The basic way to understand the issue is that there is no product key for Windows 10, that the copy you install is exactly the same as the same version you install on any machine, and that the entire key to the activation process is to get your particular machine permanently registered as being eligible for a Win 10 installation. After it is registered you should be able to wipe your drive and install a new copy of the same version of Win 10 on that machine over and over. That should also apply to a restored image of the windows 10 installation, since there is nothing stored on the hard drive that keeps the activation--that is on the MS servers. I do not know if there is some problem with using Acronis in a version that is not compatible with Win 10 to do the image. You can always use the system imaging built into win 10.
 
http://www.howtogeek.com/220986/how-to-use-all-of-windows-10%E2%80%99s-backup-and-recovery-tools/
 
If none of that helps, before going any further, it is probably best to put your old drive back in the machine and check to be sure that the copy of Win 10 booting on that drive is activated. The instructions on how to do so are in the links. 
 
 
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