John

paul jenkins
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Paul posting only a dot is not allowed. Its a violation of the rules. If you have something to say please say it. if you posted something and you wish to remove it a host can delete it. All you have to do is ask. 

Sorry i was testing something out, didnt know it was against the rules,please remove my dots

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
It is indeed a race condition but not in SONAR but the plugins themselves. One that has existed for decades and got exposed by a new windows 10 update. We'll be posting some more information soon and are working on a fix. What is sure is that the 2010.11 update has nothing to do with this specific problem. i.e. rolling back SONAR will not help since the issue isn't in SONAR itself.

Reading this makes me wonder if some of the recent problems I'm having are also related to win10 updates (I'm fully up to date, unfortunately as I may say) ...
 
I have e.g. no explanation why turning "Use MMCSS" off in Sonar improves playback when the little documentation that is there suggests the opposite.

Since I had similar things to do to 15 old projects, I wasn't doing normal stuff. I was editing the tracks vs mixing polishing etc.
 
So when I tried to insert AmpliTube 4 on a guitar track, today, it's not there, though the Scanner shows all 502 of my plug ins. PSP is nowhere to be found either and if I weren't so frazzled, I could see what else is not showing up/available.
 YUCK
Michael
 
 

Weird. The next time I opened SPLAT all my plugs were available to insert vs a very abbreviated list.

Having all sorts of VST scanning problems too.. When I try to scan, it hangs on random VSTs. And they're not Cakewalk VSTs.. The last one was the bx-Opto compressor.. I hope the bakers geb a quick fix in - well.. quick! I'm kinda dead in the water right now.. 

I have several problems in multiple situations since the last Sonar and Win 10 update
Some projects open only in safe mode, very slow pressing yes-,and after some editing - crash.
 
Others projects are opening right but suddenly freeze inserting or opening  (different) plugins and
another project is crashing after I edited midi  in the piano roll during the playback,
that´s crazy , cause I had for years a system stable as hell . 
Windows 10 ?
Tried several rollbacks and system recoverys , changed the buffersize over 192 to  512 to 1024 samples
and everything I could think of a s a reason for that - like video  driver update - but no luck.
I´m  hanging out of nowhere with Sonar and Win 10.

SOS to Cakewalk and Microsoft.

 

This issue reminds me why I take a system backup image each month.  I know I can roll everything back to it's last working state. 
 
That full image recovery option is always there if uninstalling a new version of software doesn't fix the issue I'm having. It also takes care of any conflicts with Windows updates or drivers too.  It's a complete snapshot of the entire system drive at the time that it was made.
 
Another option for use now, if you don't have a recent image from a known working state of your PC, is to look and see if you have a Windows system restore point that you can roll back to.  That should only take all of the Windows system files (and registry) back in time to the state they were in when that restore point was made.  Your personal folders don't get messed with.
 
You may need to re-install any software applications that were installed or updated since the date/time of that restore point.  The Windows registry gets rolled back as well.  There is a tool in Windows System Restore that allow you to scan for affected programs.  Just select the desired restore point, and click on "Scan for affected programs".
 
The way I would do it is to first uninstall the affected program(s), then run the restore, reboot, and re-install the version of the program that I wanted to run.  In the case of Sonar, maybe an earlier version ...
 
Example: last night I updated a program, that broke another program.  Just uninstalling the updated version and rebooting did not fix the problem.  I had to fall back to a Windows restore point from 7 hours earlier, followed by a reboot, to get running again.  Moral of this story: Windows is a tangled mess

Thanks for your tips.
Another system recovery ( 11.2.16 ) and a rollback to Sonar 2016 10
gives the following new results .
Some smaller projects (arround 45 tracks ) are now working flawless, means I can open and edit
as expected ,
but the bigger projects (more than 70 tracks ) are now not opening at all -
no slow safe mode opening aso is working.
For the moment it´s okay to have the possibility to work on the smaller
projects .
Hope Cakewalk will manage a fix asap.
Don´t want to do a system backup cause it´s more then 3 months ago I did that.
Good reminder to do that monthly.
 

Pragi
Thanks for your tips.
Another system recovery ( 11.2.16 ) and a rollback to Sonar 2016 10
gives the following new results .
Some smaller projects (arround 45 tracks ) are now working flawless, means I can open and edit
as expected ,
but the bigger projects (more than 70 tracks ) are now not opening at all -
no slow safe mode opening aso is working.
For the moment it´s okay to have the possibility to work on the smaller
projects .
Hope Cakewalk will manage a fix asap.
Don´t want to do a system backup cause it´s more then 3 months ago I did that.
Good reminder to do that monthly.
 

Another thing that occurred to me is maybe it's also a good idea to perform a complete clean uninstall of Sonar, before rolling back to a previous Windows restore point. There might still be a few things lurking from the newer Sonar version, even after the restore.  Windows restore only rolls back Windows files, not applications.  If the application un-installer leaves something behind, as most do, it could cause trouble.
 
There is this procedure on the Cakewalk knowledge base > https://www.cakewalk.com/...n-Install-Instructions
 
Also, what if maybe 2016-09 is the last stable release of Sonar?

abacab

Pragi
Thanks for your tips.
Another system recovery ( 11.2.16 ) and a rollback to Sonar 2016 10
gives the following new results .
Some smaller projects (arround 45 tracks ) are now working flawless, means I can open and edit
as expected ,
but the bigger projects (more than 70 tracks ) are now not opening at all -
no slow safe mode opening aso is working.
For the moment it´s okay to have the possibility to work on the smaller
projects .
Hope Cakewalk will manage a fix asap.
Don´t want to do a system backup cause it´s more then 3 months ago I did that.
Good reminder to do that monthly.
 

Another thing that occurred to me is maybe it's also a good idea to perform a complete clean uninstall of Sonar, before rolling back to a previous Windows restore point. There might still be a few things lurking from the newer Sonar version, even after the restore.  Windows restore only rolls back Windows files, not applications.  If the application un-installer leaves something behind, as most do, it could cause trouble.
 
There is this procedure on the Cakewalk knowledge base > https://www.cakewalk.com/...n-Install-Instructions
 
Also, what if maybe 2016-09 is the last stable release of Sonar?

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There´s already a clean intallation of sonar on my machine.
Good news:
now it´s possible to open big projects (more than 70 tracks )
on my machine  in safe mode first pressing yes to all plugins except 
Ca 2A and all Slate plugins.
After this step it´s possible to open big projects "normal" -
minus Ca2A and the slate stuff .
Thanks