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2017/01/14 17:57:12
scottcmusic
Yes, I am still on Windows 7 ... I still see some difficulty in the forum with Windows 10 not behaving for some. I am just at a point where things are all running nice and smooth in 64-bit land ... gone are even a trace of the 32-bit dinosaurs of the past. Once you get it like this, the tendency is to finally just use the tools. Life is wonderful ... you don't want to throw any wrenches into the ... ahhh ... place where you'd never want a wrench ...
 
Being a a child of the 60s and 70s I gotta have this Softube Fix Flanger and Doubler. Gotta. Sure, you could more or less achieve these things with the tools we already have in sonar ... maybe even save those tools to a preset so you can call it quickly anytime you want, say a tape flange sound. But this plugin is stirring some seriously wistful feelings in my heart ... a VSO dial that allows you to manually vary tape flange in real time? Gotta have it ... flanging drums and vocals ... 
 
But then there's iLok ... they are the gate keepers between me and my destiny. iLok doesn't want to play with windows 7 ... heck, they don't even support it anymore. I already have the trial version of the softube plugins installed and can see them in sonar. You just can't load them because an ilok message prevents that. Very frustrating to be able to see the awesomeness but not be able to even get one nibble.
 
Anybody know how to make iLok play nice with Windows 7? I gather the auto update feature for windows 7 is not functioning anymore so gone are the days when this security update would be a one click and done thing. No, now you gotta manually install all the correct security updates to bring your system up to the most current windows 7 spec.
 
What ilok is saying on their site is I need to have not only servicePack 1 installed (I do). But there are other specific bundles that need to be installed to get ilok to look the other way on your lowly windows 7 machine. Well, in downloading these, I really dont even know what to do with them. Has anybody successfully done this?
 
Here's what the iLok help page states:
 
Beginning with Version 3.1.3 of License Support, which includes the iLok License Manager application and the drivers and services required to authorize iLok-protected software, Windows 7 must have specific updates already installed prior to running the License Support installer. If the correct update is not installed, the following error message is seen:
 
 
Your Windows system needs updates to run this software.
Please use Windows Update to install all Important Updates, then run this installer again.

 
 
Please use the following steps to check for the specific Windows 7 update that is required:
  1. Click on the Start button and go to Control Panel.
  2. Go to Programs and Features to the Uninstall section (Note: you will not be uninstalling anything).
  3. In the left column, click on the option that says View Installed Updates.
  4. Look through the Microsoft Windows updates for either update KB3125574 or update KB3033929
If you do not have KB3125574 or KB3033929 then you will need to download the KB3125574 update from Microsoft's website https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3125574 and install it.
 
But when I search for these updates in Windows Update ... they are obviously named something else in there because the search turns up nothing installed for any of these.
 
Thanks
2017/01/14 19:19:22
promidi
I am running Windows 7 64bit and have no issues with ilok.  I didn't do anything special - it just installed it, activated my licences and worked.  All of my products that require iLok are functioning correctly. 

I run windows with an administrative account (I am the only user) , install all Windows updates and use the latest version of the iLok License Manager (which as of 15 Jan 2017 is 3.13 1659)
2017/01/14 21:11:04
blazingedgepro
I still have a machine with Windows 7 and never had any problems with iLok. I've also haven't had any issues with Windows 10. Maybe it's time to upgrade (if your computer supports it)?
2017/01/15 06:23:29
Bristol_Jonesey
promidi
I am running Windows 7 64bit and have no issues with ilok.  I didn't do anything special - it just installed it, activated my licences and worked.  All of my products that require iLok are functioning correctly. 

I run windows with an administrative account (I am the only user) , install all Windows updates and use the latest version of the iLok License Manager (which as of 15 Jan 2017 is 3.13 1659)


Ditto.
 
I have an iLok in the back of my Win 7 DAW and I never even have to think about it. It's just there.
 
2017/01/15 11:11:52
NeuroRon
I just finally installed the iLok License manager - I have had the iLok for a few years with no problems, pre-manager program - and had the same problems as you. I had not been doing the automatic W7 updates,so I went through all of those.... Still I got the same message. Finally, when I wnt to the link you have above and did the manual install of KB3125574  from your link above everything worked. There was still a problem running the software and connected to the site, but I ran the other software in the "troubleshooting" folder in the downloaded License Manager and all is well.
2017/01/15 11:26:55
tlw
If you want to avoid ilok, Waves' ReelADT is a very good "tape" flanger.

For vintage phaser sounds the old Cakewalk phaser effect is pretty good, and remarkably close to a Small Stone in sound.

d16 do a good Deluxe Electric Mistress style flanger/chorus.

I have the ilok manager installed, but avoid anything that requires the dongle, partly because it would occupy sockets required by something else and partly because I refuse to pay a not insignificant amount of money on top of the software price just to comply with someone's anti-piracy measures.
2017/01/15 12:57:22
arachnaut
Can't talk about Win 7, but I had some issues with iLok in Windows 10 a while back - the Windows Pace service would not always start up and had to be manually started, or one could restart to see if it started up - but it was hit-or-miss. I tried both Automatic and Delayed-Start, neither were reliable.
 
That hasn't happened lately, so either the newer versions fixed this, or newer Windows updates changed things. I have it set to Automatic startup and have not seen it fail to start.
 
In short, I'm running the latest Windows 10 stuff (version 1607 build 14393.693) and it seems fine.
 
I would be nervous running Windows 7 in an Internet environment these days, if it's off the net, so be it, but it is rather aged and there are a lot of kernel performance improvements in Win 10.
 
Besides, pretty soon, it may be harder to get software that will run on Windows 7 just as older software is beginning to show the strain of running on Windows 10 (like, Kore 2, for example). To me it seems that the thread processing is changing with every new Windows 10 update, so early multi-process environments may be at risk. 
 
In my recent experience, Kore 2 no longer reliably communicated with NIHardware Service unless it is run in compatibility mode for Windows 7.
 
I guess it may be wise to keep an older machine running Windows 7 and keep it off the Internet, but to start looking into buying a newer machine for Windows 10.
 
For myself, I'm waiting for more universal adoption of USB 3.1 before I get a newer machine. Mine is 5 years old and due to retire soon.
 
2017/01/15 13:27:01
dlion16
I bought a new ssd drive and a new copy of win10. I have the old win8 drive I can boot to via the bios, but haven't needed to. 
2017/01/16 12:08:28
scottcmusic
promidi
I run windows with an administrative account (I am the only user) , install all Windows updates and use the latest version of the iLok License Manager (which as of 15 Jan 2017 is 3.13 1659)



The problem is, the windows installer itself is geeked. The install status bar just keeps scrolling ... two, three hours later ... you think it's installing. It's not ... just providing a mesmerizing light show. This is a known issue with the current Windows Updater. It might even be intentional on the part of Microsoft to push people towards Win 10.
 
I also have no idea how to install these files one by one since they are not .exe files.
 
Been working off of this article: http://plugable.com/2016/06/08/windows-7-wont-update-what-to-do/
 
2017/01/16 12:20:56
scottcmusic
NeuroRon
I just finally installed the iLok License manager - I have had the iLok for a few years with no problems, pre-manager program - and had the same problems as you. I had not been doing the automatic W7 updates,so I went through all of those.... Still I got the same message. Finally, when I went to the link you have above and did the manual install of KB3125574  from your link above everything worked. There was still a problem running the software and connected to the site, but I ran the other software in the "troubleshooting" folder in the downloaded License Manager and all is well.



This gives me hope as you have accurately described exactly what's going on with me. Let me ask you, how did you install KB3125574? What downloads for me is a file with a strange type I've never seen before. I'm at work right now and can't see the file, but it had a strange file ending like .ssu or something like that. Anyway, when that downloads and I click on it. It does appear something is installing but, again, the status bar just keeps scrolling endlessly on my screen. Ultimately nothing installs.
 
The reason I'd like to get this sorted out is I would also like to buy SoundToys EchoBoy and that also uses the iLok licensing method as well. Sooner or later I must dance with this iLok thing ...
 
I was stupefied when I checked out Guitar Center to see if they had a version of EchoBoy that worked off of serial numbers and auth codes (you know, old school) ... but they didn't. The clerk told me I could solve the problem by buying one of their iLok dongles for $50 and an echoboy license and be done with it.
 
So is this the way of the future? WE HAVE TO PAY FOR LICENSING? Imagine I sell you a nice car ... but if you want the keys? Haaaaaaa .... fork over another grand pal ...
 
I couldn't bring myself to acquiesce. It would seem to me that handling licensing should be the financial responsibility of the vendor not the customer.
 
UPDATE: The $50 dongle I mention is not what I thought. It's actually so you can go portable with your licensing. It's totally optional.
 
 
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