• SONAR
  • VU Meter??? (p.2)
2017/01/21 19:30:29
Jeff Evans
bitflipper
There's always a good chance that any plugin you obtain through your DAW vendor is going to be a proprietary version that only works within that DAW. Makes sense, as they're not giving you something out of kindness, but rather to enhance the value of their paid products.
 
Fortunately, there are plenty of free and cheap VU meters around, with VUMT suggested by jude77 being one of the better ones. A nice freebie that I've used is the one from LSR.


Be aware that this meter calibrates with a square wave not a sine wave.  For example  -14 dB sinewave reads
0 dB VU on most VU meters (that are set for -14 calibration) but -3dB on this LSR meter.  (when also set for -14 calibration) No big deal but worth noting.  Music reads normally though and reads about the same as my real VU's do.  The ballisitic is not too bad either for a freebie.
2017/01/21 21:16:48
BobbyT
tnipe
We need some prochannel VU-meters!


+1 on that.Great idea...
2017/01/21 22:41:25
Michayl Asaph
This one is free and is pretty great, I like it.
http://www.tb-software.com/TBProAudio/mvmeter.html
2017/01/21 22:56:53
The Grim
the tbproaudio vu meter has copped quite a bit off flac because it is 'apparently' inaccurate etc, whether that is true or not is not for me to say, just putting it out there http://www.kvraudio.com/f...c.php?f=6&t=476712
 
i use the klanghelm vu meters and they seem to be pretty good. also a fan of the studio one vu meters, and like the fact that you can have the 'mini' version expanded and visible for each track or bus. probably not as good as the klanghelm, but very useful none the less (of course not for sonar)
 
psp triple looks ok, and for $29 most likely worth a look seeing how a couple of knowledgeable people above recommend it. would like to hear jeff evans's view on it (nudge, nudge)
2017/01/21 23:47:30
Jeff Evans
I have the PSP Triple meter and it is very nice too.  The VU has a nice look and it is accurate and the ballistic is pretty decent.  The other two meters are very useful as well.
 
I also have the Klanghelm meters too (V2) and like them a lot.  Always have and now they are even better.
 
The TBProAudio VU looks pretty nice too so not sure what the trouble might be with those.  I checked out the reports on it and yes there may be issues. The main one being ballistics. Especially if you have very nice real VU's like I do. The real deal is still the best but the Klanghelm is very good ballistics wise.
 
 
2017/01/22 14:32:50
Jesse G
The original PSP Vintage Meter is located in the link below.  This is the free version that originally worked with Windows XP,  Windows 7 and with Windows 8  PSP Original Vintage Meter
 
 

2017/01/22 16:29:40
Jeff Evans
It is 32 bit and on the site it does not say anything about Win 7 or Win 8 either.  Just up to XP although I am sure it could work. But the 32 bit thing could be an issue.
2017/01/22 17:21:07
RSMCGUITAR
Just curious, why would you need this?
2017/01/22 18:08:52
Jeff Evans
It is one way of maintaining correct rms gain staging right throughout the production process.  The VU meter is setup so 0 dB VU aligns itself to a digital reference below 0 DBFS such as -14, -18 or -20.  Then you can track onto your tracks with the VU just hitting 0 dB VU on the way in.  It ensures all your tracks are recorded at the same rms level.  It also helps you set the recording level which is something many have problems with. It makes it all easy.
 
VU's can be put over buses and the main mix as well to ensure the same ref level is maintained in both of those places.  With the headroom built in you dont have to sweat peaks so much.  They won’t move the VU much anyway and the headroom will ensure they are not clipped pretty well anywhere.
 
It is a handy tool for checking rms levels in and out of plug-ins and plug-in chains as well.
 
VU's should be used in conjunction with peak metering because the very fast transient sounds will slip past the VU meter and you need your peak meters to keep an eye on those types of sounds. eg drum sounds.  But apart from drums nearly all other types of signals can be monitored very nicely rms wise.
 
It is older concept that was all we had years ago and it seemed to work.  Modern DAW's made the mistake of cutting them out but now they have made a comeback.
 
Although DAW's such as Sonar and many others do offer rms indicators they are way too low on the scale to be very useful.  The VU is making use of the full scale deflection making it much easier to see.
 
Real VU meters offer more information in the ballistics of the meter.  eg how it dances to the music.  When a real VU swings wildly it means something is out of control and often you can track it down and sort it out. The virtual meters are not quite as good as an expensive quality VU movement ballistics wise yet but some of them are getting better all the time such as the Klanghelm meter for example.
 
Maintaining the same peak levels on your tracks mean the rms levels are all over the place that live under the peak values.  Keeping rms levels the same and letting the peak levels vary make it much easier to mix. Because all your tracks will be at the same volume level.  Something that does NOT happen when you maintain incoming peak levels to the same value.  Ever had a track that is too soft to be heard in a mix? Reason is that the rms level is too low.
 
They are just nice to look at too!
 
2017/01/22 18:12:46
tnipe
I have a feature request regarding VU-meters in the prochannel here:
http://bakery.cakewalk.co...nels-console-emulation
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