• SONAR
  • *This* Is How You Do It... (p.9)
2017/01/19 17:28:54
azslow3
I still think the whole problem of this thread is its title...
Someone has reported the problem the way it could be reproduced - GOOD.
The problem was confirmed, CW have understood it and has fixed it - GOOD.
Which negativity could be replied just on that?
 
But there was "problematic" parts:
1) for some reason that has worked throw Craig
2) "This is how you do it..."
Is that the only way? Is that the right way and other ways are wrong? Is the way should be routed throw Craig to get early confirmation the problem is solved?
There can be several opinions, people start to remember that most problem reports submitted throw official channels stay unconfirmed, that the list of fixed bugs is published only after the release, that Craig is affiliated with CW owner...
The thread was thought to be good, the topic is good, that is SUCCESS STORY. But the style in which it was presented was a call for negativity, making it a sad story...
2017/01/21 16:37:12
Unknowen
abacab
This is how you do it.  "My Splat is broken".
 
Yup...
 
LOL!


Sometime you can find out how things are broken on other threads... Yup... ;)
2017/01/21 16:46:59
Unknowen
Anderton
subtlearts
First, being of a pragmatic bent I'm the kind of person that would prefer to get past the problem and get on with whatever I'm doing that the problem is obstructing, rather than spend much (if any) time complaining about the problem being there in the first place. Bugs happen. I want to get back to work. 



This is my situation too. Having worked with software for over 40 years I know there will be bugs. The more you push software into areas that weren't tested thoroughly, or for which others have no use case, or were not accounted for in the original product design, the more likely you will find those bugs.
 
However I am also aware that pilot error is a huge factor. Despite using SONAR for almost 17 years, I still make rookie mistakes. I don't excoriate myself for those any more than I excoriate a company for making them.
 
People need to realize human beings are flawed, imperfect, fragile, and often damaged. We're all in this together. By helping our fellow travelers we improve the world. By understanding them, we improve ourselves.


You really can't expect everyone to be happy with Splat. This thread is good! people like me... a "Crazy Uptight Artist" Type...
I get what you're saying... But I don't want to Slow down to fill out a incident report for every Splat issues.. Though it seems I do! ha! 
It's just frustrating when your in the grove and than Crash! Crash! Crash! You can't and you should now not to take what I say to seriously... lol  Peace!
2017/01/21 17:42:10
abacab
I have a good friend who is totally a creative type artist and musician.  But he should never attempt to use a computer to make music with, though.  Long story, but many years ago he eventually bought a dedicated hard disk recorder, made peace with it, and has been happy with it ever since.  Wrote and recorded a couple CD's worth of music with that. Every once in a while he pops up and says, "maybe I need pro tools", then he goes back to making music.
 
Any computer, especially a Windows computer, requires a large investment in time and persistence in coming to terms with technology, and learning how to become at least a part time computer operator, programmer, and systems administrator.
 
Then, there is still the DAW learning curve to climb, including coming to terms with the idiosyncrasies within.
 
A DAW PC is still not just an appliance that you can turn on and off like a toaster.  But maybe someday! 
2017/01/21 17:53:23
Beepster
Good jerb, doods. You broke The Craig... and apparently The Danny as well.
 
Ugh.
 
I'm still here though FWIW... but I'm a freaking IDIOT compared to those cats... and most of the other old schoolers who ain't hangin' so much anymore.
 
Again... excellent work.
 
n00bs... don't let the bleeding drama llama shiz scare you off. Ask your questions. We are starved for legit technique/problem solving queries (that aren't peppered with angst and insults).
 
Hopefully a sheer deluge of intelligent Q&A threads can wash away the stink of all this... just... UGH!!!
 
Ya?
 
Ya.
2017/01/22 09:46:17
Brando
Ya!
2017/01/22 09:57:44
Zargg
Beepster
Good jerb, doods. You broke The Craig... and apparently The Danny as well.
 
Ya?
 
Ya.


Lets hope intelligence prevails 
And Ya! 
2017/01/22 12:03:33
Sir Les
King_Windom
 
I feel this forum and it's members have been very instrumental in the direction, development, and maintenance of Sonar. It is without a doubt the best most useful forum I have had the pleasure to belong to. The Bakers have proven once again that they listen and act to resolve problems..  


Yes they are, and thanks to them...I hope they all get rest of seeking work arounds for X to solvings, and or buggy things fixed, or oddity called out, to make that move to the garbage bin or fire ...and get out of the box, and Live a respectful part of Life, with Living things never lost, and our respect of care taking regained over as Good, done good with, for the good to be blessed....Hopefully soon a better Earth may multiply outwards , is asking and being in that Good or better intent and doings with all living things....or standing out of the other...Bad things...with as Life held as more important than machine....But we see the good spirit in help and for nothing but to say thank you in returns.....Is still in the Human Heart to do Good for the Good to be.....And in that we still have some Human in kind in us......That shows the most Glory of Glory is still a remnant....Here!...and no one can take it from you or anyone else lessor Touch!....is it not true?...Nope, because they see not the spirit with in or without..., and thanks you all around the table...is best to say with respect!...Now where does this spirit of Good will ,and help cometh from?.....That is the mystery of the truth.
2017/01/23 00:02:48
Unknowen
abacab
I have a good friend who is totally a creative type artist and musician.  But he should never attempt to use a computer to make music with, though.  Long story, but many years ago he eventually bought a dedicated hard disk recorder, made peace with it, and has been happy with it ever since.  Wrote and recorded a couple CD's worth of music with that. Every once in a while he pops up and says, "maybe I need pro tools", then he goes back to making music.
 
Any computer, especially a Windows computer, requires a large investment in time and persistence in coming to terms with technology, and learning how to become at least a part time computer operator, programmer, and systems administrator.
 
Then, there is still the DAW learning curve to climb, including coming to terms with the idiosyncrasies within.
 
A DAW PC is still not just an appliance that you can turn on and off like a toaster.  But maybe someday! 


lol, yea so true! I've been setting up, building computers and using computers since it is was Tandy. 386, 486....
windows 286 - win 10pro. install drivers within DOS... Autoexe.bat and Config.sys. Cakewalk (TwelveTone)...
There is a difference between a working software package, bugs and what Sonar is turning into... When things turn them self's on by them self or stop working and crash randomly after working fine for many years and many evolutions of CakeDAW... that's a legitimate reason to be angry!
Cakewalk has the best tools and is easy to use "when it works"! But over the last few months... It's really getting bad! Frankly I think this site is an illusion with less then 10% here using Splat. Though others at times have verified the Splat issues I have... most have no clue what's going on and just want to belong and fit in... IMO... lol
 
I'm back in the studio next month still using 2016 9 and if anyone where to look over in the bug report area they will see why...  peace!
2017/01/23 00:49:15
sharke
abacab
I have a good friend who is totally a creative type artist and musician.  But he should never attempt to use a computer to make music with, though.  Long story, but many years ago he eventually bought a dedicated hard disk recorder, made peace with it, and has been happy with it ever since.  Wrote and recorded a couple CD's worth of music with that. Every once in a while he pops up and says, "maybe I need pro tools", then he goes back to making music.
 
Any computer, especially a Windows computer, requires a large investment in time and persistence in coming to terms with technology, and learning how to become at least a part time computer operator, programmer, and systems administrator.
 
Then, there is still the DAW learning curve to climb, including coming to terms with the idiosyncrasies within.
 
A DAW PC is still not just an appliance that you can turn on and off like a toaster.  But maybe someday! 




Yesterday I watched a short video of Alan Holdsworth in his home studio on YouTube - at the time of shooting (2015), he was working on his first new material for many many years, and he was talking about how weird and baffling it was to use a DAW and how slowly it took him to learn it. Then he said it was cool, until he'd record some stuff and the computer would "eat it" (i.e. crash, I guess!), and he was also having difficulty coming to terms with the seemingly infinite options and opportunities to fiddle with and change stuff. This is in stark contrast to his early days with nothing more than an miked amp with a great tone, a mixing desk and tape machine. You put the part down and then you're done....no going back and endlessly editing and messing with amp sim settings and the like. 
 
After doing a little more digging, I found some comments online which suggested that he didn't really get on with the computer, and had reverted back to the mixing desk and tape machine. I guess it's all a matter of what you're used to. For me, with the exception of a bit of messing around with 4-tracks when I was younger, computers and DAW's make perfect sense and I can't imagine doing it any other way. 
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