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  • Export BFD3 to separate tracks sounds fuzzy (p.2)
2017/01/23 15:37:42
karma1959
Beepster
Also for any drum program I've ever worked with (and multi out synths in general) you usually need to go through that synth/sampler's mixer page and manually route/point the synth's outputs to the tracks you have created in Sonar (or whatever DAW you are using). Otherwise you will (generally) only get feed from the synth/sampler's multi output sent to one or all of the tracks... which based on your description is the problem in the first place.

 
Fantastic - thanks so much for the detailed explanation!  I think I was having the issue you describe with BFDs multi output going to a single track or all tracks no matter how I configured it - which was baffling me.    I'll give it another go and let you know the scoop.
 
Thanks again.
 
2017/01/23 15:42:29
John
I simply freeze the synth from the synth rack. With BFD3 its a simple matter to have each kit piece on it own audio track. You do this by clicking on the output at the bottom of the mixer within  BFD3.  Of course one has to have told Sonar to create all audio outputs via the synth property page upon inserting in the synth rack first.
 
I think its far easier to do it this way than exporting and than importing the created wav files. 
2017/01/23 15:48:50
karma1959
thanks. I'll give it a try..
2017/01/23 15:50:03
Beepster
Ya, cool. Check BFD3's mixer page then and read the manual to find out how to change the channel ouputs (if set up correctly you will see the tracks within SONAR). I only have BFD Eco so can't help you there but the process should be similar (as it is with most multi out synths).
 
Also I made a typo/mistake. I meant to say that without setting up the synths channel outputs in this manner they will usually only feed the synths "Master" output into one track (or multiple tracks) inside the DAW. Thus offering absolutely no separation of the kit peices or ability to add effects/pan/generally mix said individual peices.
 
As you do this though keep in mind Stereo Mic Pairs (such as overheads and/or Room mics) should be kept in sync but as a "mirror" image of each other so you may want to keep those pairs outputting to a single stereo track so effects and volume levels are even. Otherwise if you use MONO tracks for those pairs make sure as you mix you preserve that "stereo pair" correlation (like keeping the levels the same, applying the same effects in equal proportion to both tracks, panning in equal amounts opposite of each other... stuff like that).
 
If you go the stereo track route but don't like the stereo panning of your Room/Overhead mics then adjust the pan positions within the sampler/synth mixer instead of trying to screw with that in Sonar which is impossible without some silly shenanigans.
 
Just my experiences.
 
Not a "pro".
 
Cheers.
2017/01/23 18:07:03
Bristol_Jonesey
I normally choose "Insert All Mono Tracks" when using BFD
 
Then as Beep says it's just a matter of deleting the duplicates and converting the Overheads/Room & other ambient channels to stereo.
 
If you plan on using the same kit again it's worth saving the whole thing down as a template onve you've got it all configured.
I used to do that but rarely use the same kit twice, I like to build mine from scratch, so in this scenario, templates don't help a great deal as you get varying numbers of articulations for certain kit pieces, especially Toms & Cymbals.
2017/01/23 18:26:53
bapu
Beepster
bapu
Beeps,
 
I freeze drum tracks before I apply fx. Then I can fx the frozen tracks to my hearts content.
 




What specific steps are you taking to acheive that though? 

Simplified version/steps.
 
1. Insert synth folder with dumpler of choice and select the type of multiple tracks you want 
2. Setup drumpler to output its channels to the appropriate SONAR audio channel
3. Create all MIID patterns
4. Freeze, using the freeze button on any single on any one audio track (doesn't matter cuz all tracks will freeze)
5. Unbypass fx bin on the tracks you want to put FX(s) on 
 
or alternate
 
5. Move all frozen tracks to new audio tracks and FX there, muting the original folder in case I want to go back for edits.
 
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