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2015/07/23 15:50:01
pedro803
OK Hi, I am completely new here sorry for just barging in when I got a problem, but I am hoping someone here can help me or point me in a direction where I could get an answer.
 
Now don't laugh, ok you can laugh, I am using Cakewalk Guitar Studio 2 from about 1999 (I am not exagerating) and I run it on my HP Pavillion laptop (midi only no audio) which is running Windows 7 -- don't ask me how I got that to work on a 64 bit computer it was quite a wrassling match and I don't remember the details.
 
Anyhow, a few weeks ago I unistalled a bunch of junk programs off of my laptop because it just wasn't performing too well.  Ever since then I can't get Cakewalk to successfully use my input/output device which is an M-Audio midisport uno 1X1
 
coinsidentally microsoft midi mapper crapped out at the same time -- so the only thing I have is GS Wavetable Synth for output and no input -- tried all kinds of things to get it to work again
 
Finally started up a copy of that free synth "Anvil Studio" and ran a test in there and it came back with "unable to start midiport: Midisport Uno, Microsoft Midimapper.
 
Anybody got an idea of what could be wrong?  Thanks! 
2015/07/23 17:50:58
pedro803
well thanks a lot Scook -- that seems like that is probably barking up the right tree but unfortunately it doesn't have me back up and running yet.

I did what Mr Anderton suggested in the article but it didn't reveal any "hidden drivers" -- I uninstalled the driver and reinstalled but still get the same ol' set of messages.  Seems to me it should have shown multiple instances of my M-Audio driver though because I know that it did its little installation dance every time I plugged it into a new USB port.
 
So if anybody else has any ideas, please keep them coming.  When I start cakewalk it tells me I don't have any midi devices chosen for input/output -- so I go to the dialog box and the midisport uno is there but when I choose it and click ok it comes back with the same message about how I haven't chosen a midi device.  I have uninstalled and reinstalled the driver for the M-Audio several times and that hasn't helped  : (
 
2015/07/24 09:24:11
pedro803
now I have more evidence that it is probably the midi port problem referenced in the article.  I had forgotten that I had an alesis i02 express usb interface for audio and midi sitting around (I bought it a while back for audio and it crapped out for that within the 1st week of having it)  but the midi should still work 
 
it is plug and play -- so I plugged it in and ran the bat file suggested by Mr Anderton and sure enough the IO2 now shows in my device manager -- fired up cakewalk and it is there as a choice but when I choose it cakewalk still gives me the same old message that I haven't chosen a midi device.
 
For some reason though I am not able to see the hidden instances to delete them if that is indeed what is going on.
 
Thanks for any help anyone can give!
2015/07/24 09:34:54
pedro803
I guess I can try reformatting my laptop and starting over but I hate to do that because it is running smooth now that I have gotten rid of those programs.  Also I am not so sure that I will be able to get my archaic cakewalk to run on this pc again if I start over -- I think I was more than a little lucky to get it installed the first time.
 
I am seriously thinking about updating pretty soon.  There are a few probably obscure functions in my version of cakewalk that are important to me though.  One is a CAL file that splits midi notes (on the same channell) to separate tracks -- I use this on drums to mix or delete various percussion that is going on on different notes
 
also the stuff where you can reduce or increase velocity or other parameters like duration over a certain selection -- I use that kind of stuff -- I am guessing a shiny new Sonar would have all that right?
 
I am interested in having audio and cakewalk is the sequencer that I already know how to use so it seems Sonar would make sense -- I get the feeling that there are a lot of good products out there, probably for me the one with the most forgiving learning curve would make the most sense. 
 
2015/07/24 21:10:38
slartabartfast
It does seem odd that no hidden devices were discovered. What version of Windows are you using? Have you tried right clicking the bat file and selecting run as administrator? Or have you tried opening a command prompt as administrator and then typing in the commands that make up the bat file as one command followed by a return, then the second? Actually the first command will show hidden devices until you close your Windows session, so you can just open device manager by the regular method after that.
2015/07/24 23:35:12
pedro803
Hi slartabartfast -- I still haven't got it working -- but I did find another slightly altered version of that bat file, its the same but without the slashes -- so 
 
set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
start Devmgmt.msc
 
and when I ran that one it again launched the device manager and this time there were some hidden devices to see and I uninstalled them but it is still not working -- I can't imagine why there would be a difference in the batfiles if they both launch the device manager they should both have the same ability to show hidden drivers I would think but I guess that just shows what I know or rather what I don't know
 
I also found some more stuff on the web about setting the default midi device in windows 7 by manipulating the registry -- I went through that and made the changes and still no success

Also found something called the dosbox that lets you have a dos box running in windows and I used it to list midi devices and it only listed
 
0 wavetable synth
1 uno 1x1 (or whateer the name of my little usb device is)
 
so judging by that it doesn't seem that there are hidden devices cluttering up my ports, unfortunately I didn't run that query until after I had deleted the hidden devices via the bat file -- I would certainly like to have seen if they were listed there before I uninstalled them.
 
I am getting pretty frustrated, I don't guess I will go too much farther before I decide to just reformat my pc and take my chances at getting Cakewalk Guitar Studio 2 installed again on windows 7
2015/07/25 11:49:17
slartabartfast
Slashes??? Yikes!!!
 
I should have checked your link out, as I assumed it was the common bat file that is out there. The slashes in the version you linked must be a typo if it ever worked for whoever typed it in to the article. The command line will interpret those slashes as part of a UNC name (each slash indicates that the next word names a new directory in the tree) directing it to nowhere. The second line just launches device manager, and it would do so even if it was the only line entered. So line one does nothing and line two opens device manager in the state it was in before you did nothing.
 
Now I have a question. How did you have Microsoft Midi Mapper running under Windows 7? It is not accessible in that version, although there are some utility programs that will give you that functionality. If you were using a third party MIDI mapping utility and its function was damaged or removed when you uninstalled the programs, that might explain your problem.
 
 
 
 
2015/07/25 17:13:44
pedro803
OK thanks for the info on the slashes -- and as far as midi mapper -- actually I don't know that it ever worked on this computer it is just one of the options that comes up in cakewalk guitar studio 2 when I try to select an output device -- nowadays it won't let me select it -- it just goes back to the "you don't have an output device selected" when I try to select it
 
I don't know if thats what it would do before I started having trouble with the M-audio UNO, I just remember that it was among the options but I would never choose it -- actually I don't know what midi note mapper does
 
Now one of the junk files that I uninstalled at the time when the problem ensued was an auto accompaniment program called improvisor -- some freeware version of band in a box -- I never could get it to work at all, so it is possible I guess that it had some version of midi note mapper as you are saying
 
I don't remember if midi note mapper was in my options prior to my downloading the improvisor software -- I was thinking that my old version of cakewalk just threw that up there because it was prominent when the code was written but now that I am thinking about it that doesn't quite make sense.
 
I do know that when I run the dos box thing and give the command to list midi it only returns the wavetable synth and the m-audio uno -- so I don't know if that confirms that my trouble is not hidden devices or not 
 
thanks for the help -- if the problem were a garbled midi note mapper, do you have any idea how I could try to fix it?
 
 
 
 
2015/07/25 18:23:23
pedro803
just looked at it again, it actually presents it as "microsoft midi mapper" in cakewalk
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