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2017/01/15 13:51:35
rsinger
chuckebaby
The Grim
 
that would be revalver
 
if i recall correctly was about $40, they are really good, i guess it is similarish to the process positive grid use for their stuff. revalver is an excellent amp sim/program, probably number 2 in the charts for me.



I respectfully disagree.
There is a reason this software is practically given away free as a toy with the purchase of every Happy Meal.
It lacks the realistic quality's of better amp Sims. I will say this, it has all the features a good amp sim should have with its deep editing capability's and had the potential to be a great software. 
However there is no way I would even mention revolver...eh hmm, I mean Revalver in the same sentence as positive grid Bias. 
 
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I'm glad someone else feels this way. I tried a lite version of revalver a couple years ago and was disappointed - I wouldn't put it in the same category as S-Gear, Bias or TH3.
 
 
2017/01/15 17:37:22
JoeHans
Keni
Zargg
Hi. It wouldn't happen to be this you are looking for?
 
http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/guitar-pickup-selector/
All the best.


Thanks Zargg...

I didn't know of this one but I'm gonna give it a try.... it's even a price I can afford! (Free) 🎶



This plug-in is related to the mixing competition Boz had last year. I didn't participate myself but people complained about stereo DI tracks which apparently had neck pick up and bridge pick up divided for L/R. So if I'm not mistaken this plug-in is only a little tool for people who can't split clips. 
2017/01/15 18:45:35
The Grim
chuckebaby
The Grim
chuckebaby
 
 Peavey revolver




that would be revalver
 
if i recall correctly was about $40, they are really good, i guess it is similarish to the process positive grid use for their stuff. revalver is an excellent amp sim/program, probably number 2 in the charts for me.



I respectfully disagree.
There is a reason this software is practically given away free as a toy with the purchase of every Happy Meal.
It lacks the realistic quality's of better amp Sims. I will say this, it has all the features a good amp sim should have with its deep editing capability's and had the potential to be a great software. 
However there is no way I would even mention revolver...eh hmm, I mean Revalver in the same sentence as positive grid Bias. 
If you haven't tried Bias yet. try it out and you'll see what I mean.
 
But I will say this. To each their own. my opinion is no better than yours. so if you think its a great amp sim than maybe you have learned to carve some great sounds out of it. I on the other hand... have not.




bias amp pro and bias fx pro are my main go to amp sims and have been since release so no need to tell me about them
 
i consider revalver to be number 2 in my list, and i own practically everything of everything in the software amp sim world.
 
oh, and if you haven't tried the act stuff in revalver, you should. saying that bias is still my number one by a long shot software wise i own everything from them expansions and all, you will find no bigger possitive grid/ bias supporter than i they are simply in another league. you are preaching to the preacher there chuck (i have actually been acussed of being, and called the 'bias/possitive grid' preacher on kvr
 
someone mentioned sgear, yeah i have that as well, it's overrated imo
 
oh(2) and in case you are unaware, check out chptones for amp packs, they are for bias amp, but of course become available in bias fx, they are simply awesome, i got them all
 
http://shop.choptones.net/positive-grid-bias-patches/bias-patches-full-packs?limit=100
2017/01/15 19:03:00
gustabo
Zargg
Hi. It wouldn't happen to be this you are looking for?
 
http://www.bozdigitallabs.com/product/guitar-pickup-selector/
All the best.


That was specifically for a mixing contest, the original wav was stereo, with one pickup on the left and the other on the right.
2017/01/15 20:30:05
chuckebaby
The Grim
 oh(2) and in case you are unaware, check out chptones for amp packs, they are for bias amp, but of course become available in bias fx, they are simply awesome, i got them all
 
http://shop.choptones.net/positive-grid-bias-patches/bias-patches-full-packs?limit=100




 Epic link Grim. cant believe I've never seen these before.
I especially like the sound of this one: "Bogie Dual Recto 3CH 6L6 - Bias Matching Bundle 1"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=VfO4jHCcu5E
 
Im a big Mesa Bogie Dual + Triple rectifier fan. Marshall will always be my favorite but love Bogies to death.
Maybe if you get the time someday you could send me a Revalver preset and I will give it another look. (I still have it) and I respect your opinion enough to give it another try. maybe there is something I missing.
 
your talking to a guy who thinks guitar rig 4 (Dual riff) is still a good plug in . so we all have our favorites. 
when we become familiar and comfortable with a software, sometimes we can manipulate it in ways that even better software can not produce. Im guessing that's what you have done with Revalver.
 
2017/01/15 20:45:51
The Grim
you would need to own the act combo module (about $40 if i recall correctly) and for the act input modules (now called act instrument modules, $2.99) for whatever guitar/pickup type/combo you wanted. but bias is still much better imo, it just sounds and feels better to me. and don't forget, as in revalver, with bias amp (at least the pro version, can't be sure about the standard version), you can delve into tube types, pre and power amp types, tone stack etc to help give many more variations when looking for a tone that you might not quite have nailed. shame they don't allow that in bias fx, but once done in bias amp they are available in bias fx, so i guess it's not such a shame.
 
oh (again) and somewhat on topic, positive grid are working on something which models/emulates, whatever different guitars and pickups and such, haven't heard any new stuff about it for a while, plus their drum app should be cool when they release the pc version, i think they had a beta/explorer program for ios, not sure if that has been released yet, not really into ios stuff
2017/01/15 21:09:08
gustabo
Redshift Pickup Replacer by AcmeBarGig camn be downloaded here:
http://www.vst4free.com/f...n=Redshift&id=2408
2017/01/15 21:32:55
Anderton
chuckebaby
 
This was an amazing article Craig. thanks for sharing. never really saw it broken down in this way before.
I never realized how much a humbucker dropped off though around the 3K region. great examples of how to use EQ to obtain a good forge of a single or HB.



It was something I learned while working on the FBX back in 2009. I have "models" of Rickenbacker, Gretstch, Fender, other Gibsons, etc. that never made it to the public but I use them all the time.
 
I have a story you'll love, I'll try to keep it short.
 
The way we tested these models was we had someone playing the "real" guitar and someone playing the "model." We had a bunch of guitarists who couldn't see what was being played. My gig was to tweak the models to come as close as possible.
 
The initial attempt always sucked. Every guitar player could tell which was the real one. So I'd get back to work. 
 
Eventually, it would get to the point where the guitar players couldn't tell the difference, but then I'd do one more tweak. During the comparison, the usual reaction was "dude, you lost the recipe. I can tell which one is the real one, it's..."
 
And they always ended up choosing the model as the real one. That's because the final tweak made it more like the Strat, or Rick, or ES-335 you heard in your head - which wasn't always what the "real" guitar sounded like.
 
 
2017/01/15 21:44:03
The Grim
with amp sims etc, and with emulating guitars and or pickups, i'm not that interested really in if it sounds like whatever it is trying to emulate, for starters i don't/haven't owned all the various amps, guitars, pickups etc that are being cloned, so i wouldn't really know. the only thing that matters to me is if it sounds good 'to me', whether or not it sounds 'convincing', 'to me'. ie it sounds like it's an amp (i'd probably pass if xyz amp sim sounded like a washing machine ) whether or not it sounds 'authentic' to what it's trying to emulate doesn't matter so much, 'to me'
2017/01/15 23:57:38
chuckebaby
Anderton
chuckebaby
 
This was an amazing article Craig. thanks for sharing. never really saw it broken down in this way before.
I never realized how much a humbucker dropped off though around the 3K region. great examples of how to use EQ to obtain a good forge of a single or HB.



It was something I learned while working on the FBX back in 2009. I have "models" of Rickenbacker, Gretstch, Fender, other Gibsons, etc. that never made it to the public but I use them all the time.
 
I have a story you'll love, I'll try to keep it short.
 
The way we tested these models was we had someone playing the "real" guitar and someone playing the "model." We had a bunch of guitarists who couldn't see what was being played. My gig was to tweak the models to come as close as possible.
 
The initial attempt always sucked. Every guitar player could tell which was the real one. So I'd get back to work. 
 
Eventually, it would get to the point where the guitar players couldn't tell the difference, but then I'd do one more tweak. During the comparison, the usual reaction was "dude, you lost the recipe. I can tell which one is the real one, it's..."
 
And they always ended up choosing the model as the real one. That's because the final tweak made it more like the Strat, or Rick, or ES-335 you heard in your head - which wasn't always what the "real" guitar sounded like.
 
 


its truly amazing what the mind can make you think when it comes to tone and frequency.
We use everything have learned in our life to trust our ears and go by that. so I can totally see this example happening to me. that frequency in the strat range is so easy to identify and probably just as easy to be fooled by with the right processing.
 
I love talking about different guitar tones. unless of course its about tone-wood.
those debates usually end up in the toilet (See you tube)  For some reason people tend to take that subject rather serious.
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