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2016/09/28 16:58:04
BMOG
The search feature is acting weird, I recently bought the Yamaha 01v96i I like it a lot but I need more inputs.  It is a big upgrade from my Motu Ultralite and Octa-Capture. I was wondering if anyone is using an interface that allows 32 channels input and at least 16 analog out puts or something close to that.  Also will Sonar Plat allow for 2 different interfaces to work together?  If so I will hook back up my octa-capture and use it with the 01.  I got excited when I saw this http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha/MGP32X-32-Input-Hybrid-Digital-Analog-Mixer-with-USB-Rec-Play-and-Effects.gc#productDetail but I don't believe it is an interface.  So I am curious what you guys and gals are using and the pros/cons also.
2016/09/28 19:15:33
Cactus Music
Like most it is a 2 channel stereo USB interface.
The board you have is a 16x 16 audio interface,,, that's a lot of channels. not many studios need more than that.
Are you still have trouble figuring out the routing for headphone cues?
2016/09/28 19:36:22
BMOG
Only 12 inputs for xlr and analog, it does phantom power in blocks of 4 channels, If I truly had 16 inputs I would be good. No the routing I have figured out with your help and others. I can now mix in the 01 which is very cool.
2016/09/28 19:43:19
BMOG
Any takers on using two interfaces at the same time?
2016/09/28 20:20:14
JohnKenn
Bmog,
 
Maybe too ignorant to be ignorant, and from the vantage of hard wired PCI cards, but...
 
Two different M-Audio cards on my system wired together via SPDF.  Expands 8 channels to 10 channels, and honestly have never had to use them all at one time. Anticipated what would the need be with a group of acoustic musicians with multiple mics on a drum or something. Never happened so far to go beyond the 10 channels.
 You can likely sync two sources, each at 16 channels to get 32 at a time with excellent clock sync. Same mfg should allow the same driver to be shared with both units. Question is, do you really need 32 channels at once? Potential is there for the right price, but is it needed or practical.
 
John
 
 
 
2016/09/28 20:32:22
BMOG
JohnKenn
Bmog,
 
Maybe too ignorant to be ignorant, and from the vantage of hard wired PCI cards, but...
 
Two different M-Audio cards on my system wired together via SPDF.  Expands 8 channels to 10 channels, and honestly have never had to use them all at one time. Anticipated what would the need be with a group of acoustic musicians with multiple mics on a drum or something. Never happened so far to go beyond the 10 channels.
 You can likely sync two sources, each at 16 channels to get 32 at a time with excellent clock sync. Same mfg should allow the same driver to be shared with both units. Question is, do you really need 32 channels at once? Potential is there for the right price, but is it needed or practical.
 
John
 
 
 

Thanks for the reply dont really need 32 but I need more than 12 and I ran across this while researching does this apply to Plat?

Those running Cakewalk's Sonar from version 2.2 onwards have the option of using ASIO drivers, but choosing the WDM/KS (Windows Driver Model/Kernel Streaming) driver option instead lets you assemble a composite interface from any combination of the stereo inputs and outputs that appear in the drop-down Sonar list. Since WDM/KS drivers bypass Microsoft's kernel mixer (which is normally used to mix the outputs from multiple audio applications into one stereo stream), this option can provide very low latency. However, quite a few musicians also seem to have used the feature to assemble an ad hoc arrangement of interfaces from different manufacturers. As long as you lock their clocks together in some way (see 'Locking The Clocking' box), they should be able to exist in perfect harmony.

http://dt7v1i9vyp3mf.clou...4jy=&itok=sBmcp7gK

I have had bad results with WDM driver for Sonar
2016/09/28 22:32:00
Cactus Music
Depending on the device you can run in WDM mode while recording and use 2 ( or more?) audio interfaces. WDM is not the greatest for latency so best to then swicth back to ASIO for overdubs and working with soft synths. 
I did a loop back test and found that in WDM mode my tracks where out of sync. This will vary from device to device. 
My Scarlett does not have WDM drivers so I can't use it but my Tascam us1641 runs fine on WDM.
I think the WDM driver needs to be available via windows and not every device has it. 
 
And the good news is Yamaha mixers uses Stienberg drivers which are good to go in WDM mode. At least it worked for me when I tested it using a Yamaha analogue mixer my band bought and paired it up with my Tascam. The board only had the stereo USB output but it gave me 2 more channels with the board mix on my live recordings. 
 
So a solution for you would be a Tascam 16x08 which is the new version of the us1641 and us1800,  only $300, good drivers,, good pre amps and an extra 16 channels. 
 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/US16x08
 
They actually only have 14 analogue inputs but you could use the SPDIF via the Yamaha 01v as well. That is still how I connect my 01v to my system,, SPDIF    
My Tascam is a great interface for recording a band, and even better with the new drivers Tascam took the trouble to produce. And the price hasn't change, I paid the same $299 for mine at least 8 years ago. 
2016/09/28 22:45:49
Cactus Music
Update, I see the new us16x08 is now different than the us1641 and us1800. It now has NO SPDIF but has the full 16 analogue inputs and 8 analogue outputs.   
Everything else seems the same. 
2016/09/29 04:59:15
BMOG
Cactus Music
Depending on the device you can run in WDM mode while recording and use 2 ( or more?) audio interfaces. WDM is not the greatest for latency so best to then swicth back to ASIO for overdubs and working with soft synths. 
I did a loop back test and found that in WDM mode my tracks where out of sync. This will vary from device to device. 
My Scarlett does not have WDM drivers so I can't use it but my Tascam us1641 runs fine on WDM.
I think the WDM driver needs to be available via windows and not every device has it. 
 
And the good news is Yamaha mixers uses Stienberg drivers which are good to go in WDM mode. At least it worked for me when I tested it using a Yamaha analogue mixer my band bought and paired it up with my Tascam. The board only had the stereo USB output but it gave me 2 more channels with the board mix on my live recordings. 
 
So a solution for you would be a Tascam 16x08 which is the new version of the us1641 and us1800,  only $300, good drivers,, good pre amps and an extra 16 channels. 
 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/US16x08
 
They actually only have 14 analogue inputs but you could use the SPDIF via the Yamaha 01v as well. That is still how I connect my 01v to my system,, SPDIF    
My Tascam is a great interface for recording a band, and even better with the new drivers Tascam took the trouble to produce. And the price hasn't change, I paid the same $299 for mine at least 8 years ago. 


This is great news I wonder how the octa-capture responds to WDM?
2016/09/29 05:20:23
BMOG
I guess this answers my question but now I am cuious to the advantage or disadvantage of asio vs wdm? http://forum.cakewalk.com...aspx?m=3079857&p=1
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