This has ALWAYS been a problem from time to time... it just happened to me with the Z3TA+2.
 
I froze an instance of it, the frozen audio sounded fine, but when I unfroze, it changed a bunch of parameters in the synth and now I can't get my sound back!
 
This has ALWAYS happened in Sonar.   I am getting very frustrated with Cakewalk's inability to work with synths properly.

Why aren't you saving the patch before freezing?

Also, if you're running automation on the patch, the synth will unfreeze at the state last used due to automation.

gustabo
Why aren't you saving the patch before freezing?

 
because I didn't expect the product to be broken and change my synth sounds.

anyway, actually I do all the time and it is annoying!  How is that any sort of resolution?
 
It's time this gets FIXED.

gustabo
Why aren't you saving the patch before freezing?

Also, if you're running automation on the patch, the synth will unfreeze at the state last used due to automation.

+1
I used to love freezing synths and then editing the frozen tracks ...More than once it was goodbye to all my hard work when it all went back to midi ...
 
One thing I did learn the hard way that was a time-saver and personal sanity keeper ..
When ever I  found something I liked when my synths were frozen  regardless of whether I was doing edits to the frozen tracks or not ...
I would always copy over the frozen rendered synth audio over to a brand new audio track that I created in the project just for safe keeping  .
 
all the best,
 
Kenny

SilverBlueMedallion

gustabo
Why aren't you saving the patch before freezing?

 
because I didn't expect the product to be broken and change my synth sounds.

anyway, actually I do all the time and it is annoying!  How is that any sort of resolution?

 
Because with many synths, changes are made in a memory buffer and do not become an "official" part of the preset until saved into some type of permanent memory. I don't know what goes on "under the hood" with freezing, but I assume freezing simply renders the audio. So when you unfreeze, it re-opens the synth and the associated preset, which means it will ignore any temporary changes to the preset.
 
It's the same way with a project. Open a project, change some synth settings, then close the project without saving. When you open the project again, it will open to the original preset, and not incorporate the settings you changed. Same thing with a hardware synth. Make some changes to a preset, then turn it off without saving the preset. Odds are the synth will open up based on the original saved preset parameters.
 
Think about how inconvenient it would be if every time you changed a setting, it overwrote your carefully crafted preset. For me, that's the way synths would work in hell.
 
 
 

Anderton

SilverBlueMedallion

gustabo
Why aren't you saving the patch before freezing?

 
because I didn't expect the product to be broken and change my synth sounds.

anyway, actually I do all the time and it is annoying!  How is that any sort of resolution?

 
Because with many synths, changes are made in a memory buffer and do not become an "official" part of the preset until saved into some type of permanent memory. I don't know what goes on "under the hood" with freezing, but I assume freezing simply renders the audio. So when you unfreeze, it re-opens the synth and the associated preset, which means it will ignore any temporary changes to the preset.
 
It's the same way with a project. Open a project, change some synth settings, then close the project without saving. When you open the project again, it will open to the original preset, and not incorporate the settings you changed. Same thing with a hardware synth. Make some changes to a preset, then turn it off without saving the preset. Odds are the synth will open up based on the original saved preset parameters.
 
Think about how inconvenient it would be if every time you changed a setting, it overwrote your carefully crafted preset. For me, that's the way synths would work in hell.
 
 

 
This actually isn't true. I am using a standard Z3TA+2 preset from the Muzeum bank.  UNCHANGED.   When I unfreeze it mucks around with the ADSR settings on the envelope filter randomly.   So its not like I made changes to the patch, then froze without saving it to the synth first.
 
 

now - do I have to post this yet AGAIN to the Bakery?   2 sites now?
 

Well, if you save a preset immediately before freezing, unfreeze, and the preset parameters are different (and not just due to something like LFO randomness), then there is an actual problem. I'll test it and see what happens. Can you tell me which preset it is? Or are you saying it happens with all of them? Is it just the ADSR on the filter, or other parameters as well?
 
Hmmm...I don't see a Muzeum bank under the classic content or factory content. Where is it?

Whether or not the customizations you'd applied to that instrument's patch will be saved with the project can depend on whether the synth was unloaded after the freeze (and how the instrument saves its state). That's the default behavior, since the reason you freeze a track is to free up resources.
 
You can, however, tell SONAR to not unload the synth on freezing (dropdown menu at the top of the synth rack), but that will leave the synth in place and you won't recycle the memory it was using. A more reliable solution is to save the patch/instrument before freezing.

He's saying he's not changing the patch at all. But we don't know what modulations are applied to the parameters he says are changed, which is why I want to know what preset he's using.
 
I don't use freeze much, I render and delete so I don't have much experience with this. All I know is the render sounds as expected.