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2016/12/27 02:19:46
dlayna
Hi and thanks for responding :)
 
I tried that as well and I'm still getting the echo from Input Echo button being on while recording :(
 
I'm crying buckets here :)
 
RSMCGUITAR
Maybe I'm missing something here but.... I would just add a track, insert a reverb on the track, record and then delete the reverb. Your track will be dry.




 
 
 
2016/12/27 02:40:27
dlayna
RSMCGUITAR
Have you lowered your buffer as low as it'll go without crackling?


Where in the preferences do I change that?  Is it under "Driver Settings or Sync and Caching?"
 
The one under Sync and Caching is set to 256 for both Playback I/O & Recording I/O.
 
Thanks - D'Layna
2016/12/27 05:32:27
Bristol_Jonesey
Whenever I record vocals I always start by turning all Fx plugs off.
This should reduce latency to a very small amount. Do this by hitting 'e' on your keyboard.
 
Now add a reverb plugin to your vocal track's Fx bin, right  click the bin and untick Bypass fx Bin
The reverb should now be the only Fx plug in operation.
 
Proceed as above - enable Input Echo and record your vocal.
If the latency is still too high then you'll need to adjust your driver settings
2016/12/27 06:02:47
olemon
This method works perfectly for me.
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3090966
2016/12/27 06:46:00
chuckebaby
I really hate to even comment because everything that needs to be said has been. There is great solid advise here on this thread. Possibly a bit confusing as there is a few different ways explained. So I will try to keep my advise short.
 
When I set up to do vocals:
 
-Turn off all other track FX (Delays, reverbs, Chorus, EX) Okay to keep Guitar Sim FX.
 
-Insert the Sonitus Reverb directly in to the FX bin (no need to worry about saving resources we are not using a 1985 Texas instruments computer)
 
- Control the level of reverb from within the Sonitus plug in.
 
- Set your tracks Input to your Audio interfaces Microphone Input
 
- Set your tracks output to Master bus (or Vocal bus if you have one).
 
- Once this is complete, Right click on this track and choose "Save as Track Template".
This Track Template will now be your custom Reverb/Vocal track for all future Projects.
 
If you are experiencing and delays in signal I suspect your Latency is coming from your AI and buffer settings should be adjusted.
 
I sometimes use another method which entails creating a VOX bus and routing tracks outputs there. 
But I prefer the Reverb in the FX bin as each track can have independent amounts of reverb.
For example: I like more reverb on the track I am recording, but less reverb on already established Vocal tracks.
Once tracking is complete, I delete the Reverb FX from the vocal FX bins and begin the Mixdown process by using VOX buses and Reverb Bus sends.
 
2016/12/27 07:23:21
dannyjmusic
I'm talking about a hardware interface. I use the Tascam 20 x 20 which has a pretty good reverb built in. If you plug in your mic into one channel, it has a mixer built in that let's you dial in reverb, delau, eq and a compressor that you hear but doesn't go to the computer. That way you hear effects and the dry signal goes to Sonar. Then you can process the vocal however you want within Sonar. There is no latency because you hear the vocal before it is goes into the computer. Don't click input echo button on the track ...There will be a slight delay if you do. Good luck!
2016/12/27 09:08:26
jadonx
DeeringAmps
Send your vocal track to an aux track or buss and insert a reverb.

I used the Sonitus included with SONAR, its light on the CPU.
That's track 1 on the left.
Adjust the send to "sweeten" to taste.
Make sure the "blue" buttons are on.
That makes them "live" when recording.
Hope this helps
 
T


I do this but use pre-send (post button off), then MUTE the track (1 in this case).
You can then monitor without doubling and record low -latency on track 1.
 
2016/12/27 09:15:37
DeeringAmps
"Where in the preferences do I change that?  Is it under "Driver Settings" YES!
"or Sync and Caching?" NO!

 
You set latency with the ASIO Panel

unless of course you are using a laptop.
Then you need to research the new WASPI drivers.
Is the UAD a "satellite"?
 
And thanks to Sander:
none of you use effects busses?
(or aux tracks to keep the effects in the Vocal, Guitars, Keys, Drums folders; simplifies the buss view for me)
Of course you can put the verb in the Vocal effects bin, but I'm going to have a verb buss (aux track now) anyway.
Its in my template....
T
 
 
2016/12/27 20:44:57
chuckebaby
DeeringAmps
 
none of you use effects busses?





I do on every project, but not for tracking.
All my VOX tracks DO go to a Vocal Bus track but there's no FX in that Bus.
They are in the tracks Bins (which are removed after vocals are complete)
this isn't the 1990's were we have 280MB of RAM . im never concerned with CPU when tracking because My system can handle it. With that being said, I only use limited resources on all my other tracks while recording overdubs.
there's no Reverbs, Delays, Compressors until mix down. (except Guitar Sims/FX).
the only other FX I use is a touch of Reverb for when tracking vocals and I like to be able to use different amounts of reverb, different kinds of reverbs when tracking multiple Vocal tracks, hence the reason for using the FX bin = having independent control over each track.
 
But with that said, your way (using a bus with a send or in the FX bin of the bus) also works perfectly well and is a good choice no doubt. just not my way of doing it.
many different options here.
2016/12/28 02:23:54
Sanderxpander
It's not so much a CPU matter anymore (although some reverbs are real hogs) but more of an esthetic question of if you want your instruments/vocals occupying the same space or not. In mixing, it's pretty much common practice to use buses for verbs. Same as if you had an actual SSL desk with an EMT verb next door. Of course this doesn't matter so much just for tracking.

By the way using a reverb bus of course you can still decide how much reverb any individual track gets, by using the send level. Do you really set up different pre-delay and tail EQs for different vocals during tracking??
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