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2016/09/21 10:39:49
MadbeatEstudio
Hello! I'm thinking to buy a version of Sonar.
I have a QCon Pro from Icon and I would like to know how it can be used with Sonar (Platinium or any version).
If some of you could make it work, I would like to know the steps in order to do it.
Sorry about my bad english and thanks in advance.
2016/09/21 14:15:58
Zargg
Hi, and welcome to this forum. I do not have a Qcon Pro, but if I understand correctly it uses Mackie Control, which is supported in SONAR. To go deeper, you could download fellow SONAR user azslow3's AZ Control, which can be downloaded here: http://www.azslow.com/index.php?action=downloads 
Hope it helps.
All the best.
2016/09/22 05:37:28
azslow3
After tracking all related posts on this forum, analyzing QPro Mod description (there was one) and attempting to create special preset for it, I can conclude that QCon Pro is not the best choice for Sonar. In the same price category there is X-Touch, which is known to work fine out of the box.
2016/09/22 06:46:23
fireberd
I looked at the Qcon web site and it lists compatible DAW's but does not include Sonar.  Whether that is really the case or not?  But, I decided Qcon was not for me and upgraded to the Behringer X-Touch which works OK in Sonar.
2016/10/05 09:06:25
MadbeatEstudio
Thanks for your welcome and replys!
 
Zargg71: Thanks for the tip. Anyway, I don't understand how should the AZ control can make the Icon Pro X work with Sonar. If you can be more specific or make a step by step instructions, it should be great. 
 
If there is any interested in this, I wrote to Qcon and they send me this reply:
 
Yes, you should be able to make custom maps for your QCon Pro X using Sonar. 
Sonar has an ability to learn MIDI functions used on devices, I'm including links to Youtube videos that should help clear these things up for you.
The first video is simply setting up a MIDI device:

The second is how to use the MIDI learn function, to use this you will most likely want to set your DAW mode on the QCon Pro X to User Define. 

I hope this helps clear things up for you. If you have any other questions please don't hesitate to ask, we're always here.
 
Anyway, It's still a little difficult to me, to understand how to make it work...
 
I just want to make the DAW work with at least the basic features like Solo, Mute, Faders, Start, Stop, Rec...
 
Thank you!
 
2016/10/05 12:44:34
Zargg
I think you can use it as a Mackie Control surface out of the box.
The Mackie Control surface plugin can be downloaded here: https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2005263/Mackie-control-surface-Plug-in
In Preferences, MIDI, Control Surface, set your Qcon as input / output under Mackie Control mode.
Others may prove me wrong.
All the best.
2016/10/05 12:48:14
MadbeatEstudio
Thank you again.
I will try it in a month, when the DAW arrives, and the I will post my experience.
Thanks again, regards.
2016/10/06 04:49:41
azslow3
MadbeatEstudio
If there is any interested in this, I wrote to Qcon and they send me this reply:
 
Yes, you should be able to make custom maps for your QCon Pro X using Sonar. 
Sonar has an ability to learn MIDI functions used on devices, I'm including links to Youtube videos that should help clear these things up for you.

It will work on the level of Korg Nano then, no motorized faders, no indication on buttons, etc. But ~10 times more expensive 
 
There is a fancy post, most probably also from QCon: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/10771786-post2.html
To explain why it is fancy:

...
Regarding the use of the QCon Pro with Sonar, this is an ongoing issue for many, many controllers on the market right now. The fact that Sonar and Steinberg have chosen to require non-standard data to somehow 'authenticate' seems an awful lot like a 'buy our own licensed stuff' trap.
...
For now, I'm just searching for this handshake information and trying to get a copy of the current firmware code to update.

So they have failed to find Mackie (!) protocol official documentation (which takes ~30 second to find in Google, as EMagic Logic Control, dated 2002) and they blame CW and Steinberg for using something "non standard". Not to say that MackieControl Sonar plug-in source code is officially published as Open Source since several year.
 
 
Back to the practical aspect. AZ Controller preset for QCon was never tested. But there is modified MackieControl plug-in for QCon, made by another Sonar user: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3092979
I do not have QCon, so I do not know either it works. But I guess it is better then other solutions in this case.
 
2016/10/06 08:36:33
MadbeatEstudio
Azslow3, thanks a lot for your thoughts. I want to die because to me, Sonar is the best software... I don't like any other like for example ProTools... and I think I'm not be able to make the Qcon Pro X work with Sonar... :( 
Anyway, I will try with the Mackie Control Plug In... is the only hope... 
I don't understand how the files must be installed in Sonar... I will ask to the author.
 
Thanks, regards
2016/10/06 10:06:33
fireberd
Is it too late to return the Qcon? if not bite the bullet and sell the Qcon and buy a  Behringer X-Touch which would solve your problems.  As I previously mentioned in this thread, I had seriously considered the Qcon but since they did not mention Sonar in their compatibility, or anywhere I could find on their web site,  I passed it  up.
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