+1 to most of the positive comments on here.

Also PC FX Chains mean you can convert other VSTs to pseudo PC modules, with several of the parameters assigned to knobs/buttons. I have made modules for a Fairchild compressor, Guitar Rig amps, etc.

I barely use the FX bin any more.

chuckebaby
I look at Sonar and the Pro channel the same way I do my old analog desk/board.
(snip)
 

Analog desk channel strip designers did their utmost to keep things as compact as possible.
Many modules in the PC are way, way too big. 

jpetersen

chuckebaby
I look at Sonar and the Pro channel the same way I do my old analog desk/board.
(snip)
 

Many modules in the PC are way, way too big. 

 
Where are cakewalk designers supposed to take advantage of this extra room ?
Remember there are many users on Laptops, how are they supposed to see these modules if made any smaller ?
imagine adding a compressor to an old analog strip, it would lengthen the strip another 6 inches.
your only other option would be a 19 inch rack mount. I believe the 3 inch x 3 inch square the compressor in the PC takes up is very small and compact.
So which modules are you referring to ?
 

I'd sure like to see the Style Dials slim down. But aside from that, the UI's are generally smaller than their VST equivalents. For me, the most important aspect is that they're just big enough to be easy to use with touch, which I find helpful...having a strip off to the left with a bunch of processors that have touch-tweakable knobs really does have more of a "mixer" vibe, and is easier than opening up multiple VSTs and trying to tweak those.

wow ty all so much...

I like it most because it saves me from having to do too much effort to reuse FX chains.
 
Don't like the FX chain option in the FX rack compared to the PC method, 2 steps vs one .
 
When working with large song projects for albums, I would record with a basic Project template, mix the hell out of one song and create a new track template and use that in the other song projects by loading the track template and dragging the audio files down to the new tracks, deleting the old tracks after testing the project. This would lead to more per song mixing anyway (of course), but saved so much time.
 

kook
wow ty all so much...

 
Well it was a really good question.

djtrailmixxx
When working with large song projects for albums, I would record with a basic Project template, mix the hell out of one song and create a new track template and use that in the other song projects by loading the track template and dragging the audio files down to the new tracks, deleting the old tracks after testing the project. This would lead to more per song mixing anyway (of course), but saved so much time.

 
And that's a great tip!!

chuckebaby

jpetersen

chuckebaby
I look at Sonar and the Pro channel the same way I do my old analog desk/board.
(snip)

Many modules in the PC are way, way too big. 

Where are cakewalk designers supposed to take advantage of this extra room ?
Remember there are many users on Laptops, how are they supposed to see these modules if made any smaller ?

 
I use a laptop and can only see two-and-a-bit PC modules at a time. I am constantly scrolling, collapsing, expanding...

chuckebaby
imagine adding a compressor to an old analog strip, it would lengthen the strip another 6 inches.
your only other option would be a 19 inch rack mount. ...

 
Depends. On the pro hardware mixers I have seen the buttons are small and staggered alternately left and right with labeling in the spaces. And compressors range from single-knob input limiters all the way up to full-featured dynamics processors on a parallel strip (but still in the desk) like a permanent flyout.

chuckebaby
So which modules are you referring to ?

Well, as Craig mentioned, the Style Dials and Saturation Knob are the worst offenders.
 
The compressors all have Analog meters. These could be horizontal bars. The Concrete Limiter controls could be horizontal. And does the Tape Emulator really need those reels?
 
By contrast, the QuadCurve is a model citizen. It has a compact mode (hidden in the Display menu, unfortunately not saved) and a Flyout.
 
What I'd like is a compact mode for all modules, plus a Flyout for full access.
 
FX chains could actually go some way, but am I right in thinking they cannot accept PC modules? 

jpetersen

chuckebaby

jpetersen

chuckebaby
I look at Sonar and the Pro channel the same way I do my old analog desk/board.
(snip)

Many modules in the PC are way, way too big. 

Where are cakewalk designers supposed to take advantage of this extra room ?
Remember there are many users on Laptops, how are they supposed to see these modules if made any smaller ?

I use a laptop and can only see two-and-a-bit PC modules at a time. I am constantly scrolling, collapsing, expanding...

chuckebaby
imagine adding a compressor to an old analog strip, it would lengthen the strip another 6 inches.
your only other option would be a 19 inch rack mount. I believe the 3 inch x 3 inch square the compressor in the PC takes up is very small and compact.

Depends. On the pro hardware mixers I have seen the buttons are small and staggered alternatively left and right with labeling in the spaces. And compressors range from single-knob input limiters all the way up to full-featured dynamics processors on a parallel strip (but still in the desk).

chuckebaby
So which modules are you referring to ?

Well, as Craig mentioned, the Style Dials and Saturation Knob are the worst offenders.
 
The compressors all have Analog meters. These could be horizontal bars. The Concrete Limiter controls could be horizontal. And does the Tape Emulator really need those reels?
 
By contrast, the QuadCurve is a model citizen. It has a compact mode (hidden in the Display menu, unfortunately not saved) and a Flyout.
 
What I'd like is a compact mode for all modules, plus a Flyout for full access.
 
FX chains could actually go some way, but am I right in thinking they cannot accept PC modules? 

fair enough. good question about the FX chains. might be able to save a few inches if modules could be made in to chains. TBH, its not really a problem here. Even the Style dials (I don't use those anyway). but yes those are a bit on the bulky side.


I guess using a 46 inch HD TV for so long, I forgot how important space is.
Happy holidays.

I was using the PC for everything but just recently switched back to the fx bin because I found the PC wouldn't freeze to free up CPU resources like the fx bin does(and started to use the slate VMR more and more). but it is still useful to turn on at time with an empty FX chain set to post fx bin to watch the LED to check that there is no clipping. If I was going to work only with SONAR platinum included plugins then yeah I would use it quite a bit I think.
 
At the end of the day it adds an extra option which is always a good thing!