jpetersen

Well, as Craig mentioned, the Style Dials and Saturation Knob are the worst offenders.
 

Yeah they should be half the height really, although I've never used the style dials. They could make a semi collapsed view if they wanted to keep that styling. 3 fit on my HD screen, and it looks stupid. When all 8 should fit without looking cramped.
 
A few others like the VFKX stuff could easily be shaved down without making them cramped, but being third party I think that's fine (I remember them being a bit more gold in your face, I'm not sure if they have been toned down, or my eyes have become accustomed).
 
My two main wishes, and the first is long overdue are;
Sort the menu option out for adding the PC. They have just made some changes to the plug in manager and I was disappointed that it wasn't included. Style Dials have a sub menu, and the PC are already categorized as one of 8 different types in the registry. So even with out including into a plug in manger, an option to have these in 8 (plus FX chanins and Style dials) submunus by type would make this much tidier. I have about 24 ProChannels not including style dials. so this is now two screen heights.   
 
I have messed with them a bit to put them in these categories, but some updates mean I have to tidy up after.
 
 
The other is better VST integration. I'm surprised this hasn't happened earlier, because it would make PC more appealing and being mix focused, seems to suit the Baker's priorities. FX bin has log been a fudge solution to this, not it's intended use. But they show that the example below is feasible.
 
 

I tried to embrace PC when it first came out but I found that I was always using effects that could only be used in the FX bin.

I now have the PC module turned off in every project...

I happen to like the Pro Channel a lot actually.
I'm certainly glad to have the Pro Channel as an integral feature included in SONAR ...
I'm using what I will call a placeholder lap top currently . Aside from having to constantly jiggle around the smaller screens real estate  , I still find it relatively easy to navigate around the Pro Channel and do small EQ ,gain staging  , compression and console emulation changes while I'm working in the track view .
The Pro Chanel makes it pretty easy to go through the whole editing process of implementing a track by track dialing in / carving to get rid of the mud and errant frequency's as the song plays ...
I consider this phase of using The Pro Chanel to be a   "small m premixing " type of thing  ....
 
Whenever I'm in doubt as to whether The Pro Chanel effects I'm using are adding to the sound of my song , or simply messing things up .
I hit the global effects bypass while the song plays for a sonic reality check ....
More often than not , I've gotten very close to the sound of where I was hoping to get to at that point of the songs development. ..
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 

One thing I dislike about the PC ist that it stacks FX from bottom to top rather than from top to bottom ??
On most projects I will have a couple of channels with only one or two FX in the PC and they're always on the bottom of the PC whereas I naturally glance to the top of the PC (analogue channelstrip signalflow). Also adding FX to an already filled up PC.....it goes against the flow imo.

Having the modules in the PC be individually pre/post fadar would be acceptable. ...rather than the whole PC.

I don't know how that could work, as they feed into each other as a chain. The first one decides if it's pre or post. With two Pcs in a row, the second takes the signal from the first, not the fader, and so on.
 
Edit: A split point could work, where you could divide the channel into two parts, one pre and one post.
 
Out of interest, where does this become and issue, what's the application, and do you do this with VSTs too, I can't think how? 

Previously, I've rarely used the pro channel as I’ve always liked selecting my FX and adding them to each channel via the Console view while Mixing.
 
About a year ago, I started watching the Pro Channel videos on YouTube \and how they were being used.  I really liked what I saw, but once I really started using the full functionality and replacing the fx modules for each Pro Channel, it was no mistake that I was missing out on possibly the best feature in Sonar.

I think a great part is how many third party VSTs you own. If own Fabfilters ProQ, then maybe you'd typically pick this over Cakewalks. If you own Waves LA2A, you'd also do the same. But if you don't rely so much on these, then I think it's worth messing more the ProChannels and expanding it a little. I typically only have one VST in the FX bin, if it needs it, but have everything else on the ProChannel. I've been working with a default set up of QuadEQ to make cuts and clear the high and low, into a compressor, into a more tonal EQ and shape and colour post compressor. Just turning off any PC no in use.

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wayne T.handzus
bandwidth doubles and doubles again

I'm sure you're right.........