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2017/12/10 18:51:55
mudgel
Cactus Music
Great job of covering this hot topic. I bet half of the forum members have been demoing away all week.
I tried Cubase, Mix Craft, Studio 1 and Mix bus. 
 
Out of them all I bought Mixbus4 because @ $29 USD ( 36 CAN ) I felt it was more than worth the price.
 
Note: You can use the demo forever and there's just a very easily ignored low level noise. 
 
I'm looking forward to mixing down Sonar created audio files on my next album. 
Forget using midi it's real bad at that, but it's a gem with handling audio. Everyone should grab a copy at this price. 
 
Cubase: I own Elements 7 and have poked around on and off over time. I tried the 8 demo and found nothing new or exciting has been added. Big waste of 9 GB of downloading. And my take is even though people say it's a good midi editor, midi is where I have always had a bad experience with Cubase. I'm sorry but it's like using Sonar 6.  Bottom line is I already own Cubase if I need it and can take advantage of upgrade pricing if need be. 
 
Mix Craft; I liked it and if it's all I had could get by,  but it's not worth the money to me, nothing gained, once again, I can always use an old version of Sonar and have more features than offered here. 
 
Studio 1: I already have the free version from 2 years ago, and played around, didn't try the full demo as my bandwidth is limited and not sure I need to go there. I like the looks and feel of it but once again, it's like opening Sonar 8.5 and not worth the price to me. 
 
So I have a few back ups already and better deals will always happen. If you read the latest news we got today it sounds like there is a 33.3% chance of Sonar carrying on. 
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...tatement-m3705824.aspx


That so called “latest news we got today” was a copy and paste from the original which was posted 10+ days ago. Nothing new and hasn’t been updated since.
2017/12/10 21:18:11
mkerl
abacab
You can import video into Studio One, sync it up, and/or extract audio from it.  https://ask.audio/articles/working-with-video-in-presonus-studio-one
 
The manual covers the details.  Here is info on supported formats.




Yes, I did that with mp4 and mov - files (my camera produces mov-files). Works fine. Maybe one day S1 will be able to create Surround- Sound. But that is not really important, just wouldt be nice. Since my Videoeditor handles different Audiotracks and spreads them in a virtual room (not real 5.1, but not so bad), maybe I find a way . . . and meanwhile, I have Sonar :)
 
Thanks for your help
 
Cheers :)
2017/12/10 22:05:52
abacab
mkerl
abacab
You can import video into Studio One, sync it up, and/or extract audio from it.  https://ask.audio/articles/working-with-video-in-presonus-studio-one
 
The manual covers the details.  Here is info on supported formats.




Yes, I did that with mp4 and mov - files (my camera produces mov-files). Works fine. Maybe one day S1 will be able to create Surround- Sound. But that is not really important, just wouldt be nice. Since my Videoeditor handles different Audiotracks and spreads them in a virtual room (not real 5.1, but not so bad), maybe I find a way . . . and meanwhile, I have Sonar :)
 
Thanks for your help
 
Cheers :)




Ran across this surround sound DAW comparison.  Sonar got a vote! 
>> https://vi-control.net/community/threads/a-definitive-topic-surround-sound-daw-comparison.51025/
2017/12/10 22:42:20
mkerl
abacab
mkerl
abacab
You can import video into Studio One, sync it up, and/or extract audio from it.  https://ask.audio/articles/working-with-video-in-presonus-studio-one
 
The manual covers the details.  Here is info on supported formats.




Yes, I did that with mp4 and mov - files (my camera produces mov-files). Works fine. Maybe one day S1 will be able to create Surround- Sound. But that is not really important, just wouldt be nice. Since my Videoeditor handles different Audiotracks and spreads them in a virtual room (not real 5.1, but not so bad), maybe I find a way . . . and meanwhile, I have Sonar :)
 
Thanks for your help
 
Cheers :)




Ran across this surround sound DAW comparison.  Sonar got a vote! 
>> https://vi-control.net/community/threads/a-definitive-topic-surround-sound-daw-comparison.51025/


 
Very interesting. Maybe I shouldt have a look at Reaper then . . . .
 
Thanks 
Cheers :)
 
2017/12/23 23:36:16
Dirtbagg
35mm
Firstly, if you are a hobbyist,



35mm and all, I am a hobbyist, I have several tracks I've started on Sonar 2. It is all wav tracks with no midi. I am looking again to finish these tracks with vocals. Also create some new recordings on guitar. My input device is an old Line 6 Guitar Port.
 
I guess my question I would get to the point is which would be a good fit for me? I also use Windows 10.
Thanks
Dave
2017/12/24 14:07:43
Tony Shaffer
Dave,
I waited to see if anyone would offer some ideas in response to your post, and nobody did, so I will, by talking about fishing. I fly fish, and if a buddy said he wanted to go fishing to have fun and relax, I'd tell him any basic rod, reel, line, hooks, and bait will do the job (just add water, right?). I wouldn't load him down with a lot of expensive gear. But if he said he wanted to go fly fishing to have fun and relax, things change: I'd give him a lot more detail and tell him he needs specialized gear and that there's a steep learning curve that never ends, but it's always fun.

And "hobbyist" covers the full range of what I'm talking about: some people do their hobby casually, some obsessively, but for basically the same purpose (have fun and relax). And as for whether fishing is more fun with a handcrafted fly rod than with a cane pole, I'd say, no, it's just *different fun*.

The folks in this forum know their stuff, and they are hugely helpful. Many of them are hobbyists too, and many of them do this professionally. But this thread is geared toward those of us who are obsessive - the programs all are "great deals" for us, but there's a steep learning curve in each, and most of us wouldn't suggest you leap into one of these unless your plan is to become as obsessive as we are about what we do.

But my point would be, from what you wrote, there are any number of basic interfaces that come with the software you need to do what you want to do...and for about the same cost as one of these programs (without an interface). My guess is that any one of these would be a better fit for you than the programs listed in the original post.

And just so you know, somewhere around here, I have a Line 6 Guitar Port and a disc for an old version of Sonar. And I had a lot of fun with it until I decided I *needed* a whole bunch more stuff, like the features in the programs listed here. But a newer interface with updated software will certainly do a better job for you than your old setup.

Mostly, this should be fun, right?
 
 
2017/12/24 14:19:53
cclarry
Don't forget that Waveform is also half off right now...and, with the code CAKEWALK
it's another half off
 
https://www.tracktion.com/products/waveform
2017/12/24 16:19:47
35mm
Dave, for your existing projects I would recommend Sonar for now :) It's still working at the moment. Going into the future, no midi, but the option for midi if you need it, Studio One or Reaper might be a good fit. It depends on your budget. Reaper offers a lot for very little expense. I have played with the demo but that's it. Studio One is very up and coming. Another great consideration for you might be Harrison Mixbus. I managed to pick that up for $29 in one of their many sales - it's a very analog recording process like working with tape and a console which might suit you well for electric and acoustic instruments. It does have some midi too. I went for Samplitude and also picked up Studio One.
2017/12/25 16:34:52
abacab
Dirtbagg
35mm
Firstly, if you are a hobbyist,



35mm and all, I am a hobbyist, I have several tracks I've started on Sonar 2. It is all wav tracks with no midi. I am looking again to finish these tracks with vocals. Also create some new recordings on guitar. My input device is an old Line 6 Guitar Port.
 
I guess my question I would get to the point is which would be a good fit for me? I also use Windows 10.
Thanks
Dave




For a hobbyist with modest requirements that just wants to record a few audio tracks, I would suggest starting with one of the free options, or at least one of the very inexpensive ones. 
 
Most of them are cut down versions of pro DAWs, but without the extra (and possibly unnecessary) features, and steeper learning curve.  Most of them have upgrade paths if you need to grow into something.  They would all offer a better experience than an outdated version of Sonar.
 
1. Tracktion T6 (free - full version) https://www.tracktion.com/products/t6-daw
2. Studio One Prime (free)  https://shop.presonus.com...ods/Studio-One-3-Prime
3. Pro Tools First (free) http://www.avid.com/pro-tools-first
4. Ableton Live Lite (bundled with many interfaces and controllers) https://www.ableton.com/en/products/live-lite/
 
Cubase Elements is only $99 and would probably offer everything you would need at this time. https://www.steinberg.net...ubase-elements-95.html
 
2018/01/07 17:54:00
Dirtbagg
Tony Shaffer
Mostly, this should be fun, right?

Thanks Tony, yes mostly fun. I'm looking at getting a Focusrite Scarlett Solo. And have a budget of $100 for software if need be. 
I have not used Sonar is a while and would like Something that is
Tony Shafferfishing ... with a cane pole
or regular rod and reel. 
I've looked, not downloaded or used at Ableton Lite, and Reapper.
Thanks @35mm, and @Tony
Dave
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