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  • SOLVED, THANK YOU detecting tempo
2016/12/16 13:54:48
joey90405
hi everyone, question, is there a way sonar can detect the tempo of something i imported?
2016/12/16 14:45:31
reginaldStjohn
If its an audio file then if you can enable audio snap and pull up the audio snap toolbar and it will show you what it detected.  You can also use melodyne and it will attempt to guess the temp as well.  There are other tools or VST out there that would probably do it at well. 
2016/12/16 14:53:59
Anderton
If all else fails, isolate 1 measure, and adjust the tempo until it fits. For more accuracy, use more measures. I've had to do this with some MP3s of complete songs people have given me.
2016/12/16 15:34:52
chuckebaby
I have tried a lot of different methods but I find the easiest is what Craig suggested. Typically I go further than 1 measure though. If the song was recorded with a click track your in luck. even if your guide copy was recorded on tape, with a decent capstan motor, your in luck. ive done this over 100 times easily.
 
Here is something important to keep in mind. If you are simply trying to match the guide track beat for beat, use Melodyne. If you are looking to have a consistent guide track, use the method below:
 
1- Snap the beginning of the material to where the first down beat is / to 2:01 on the timeline.
 
2- Then go to add tempo change and use the Tap button to Tap out the BPM's to give you a basic Tempo of the song (make sure your Sonar Click/Metronome is disabled: Nothing worse than trying to calculate a tempo with another tempo clicking away.)
 
3- Next move the Nowtime to approx. 20 to 30:01 on the timeline.
 
4- look for another downbeat in the audio wave form and get as close as possible.
(This is the tricky part as I find a tempo of 110BPM hardly ever works, you need to get fine tuned to something in the decimal range, for example:110.52 or 109.83)
 
This will give you a good guide track that does not fluctuate in tempo as Melodyne will.
2016/12/16 15:41:24
abacab
For Professional & Platinum, what about just dragging the audio file in the Track view from the clips pane up to the timeline to set the tempo map?
 
How To Create Easy Tempo Maps in SONAR with Melodyne 4
https://www.youtube.com/w..._SKmr_07Is#t=86.103125
2016/12/16 16:02:50
bluzdog
Have you tried this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_SKmr_07Is ?
 
Rocky
 
2016/12/16 16:26:23
Zargg
abacab
For Professional & Platinum, what about just dragging the audio file from the timeline up to the timeline to set the tempo map?
 
How To Create Easy Tempo Maps in SONAR with Melodyne 4
https://www.youtube.com/w..._SKmr_07Is#t=86.103125


Hi. This was going to be my suggestion.
All the best.
2016/12/16 17:15:25
chuckebaby
It really depends on what you are trying to achieve. Melodyne detects tempo very well. This is perfect Tempo matching, However I find the content has to have a clean loud drum background. if not Melodyne tends to make mistakes (even when set to melodic or percussive algorithms).
 
However if you have ever tried to recreate an old version of a song you have laid down, you don't want to use Melodyne as the tempo will vary and be an exact duplicate of the original tempo / IE- Drifting.
 
If you want to recreate an old version of a song, I suggest using straight tempo without the drift.
Thus my previous post on how to accomplish this feat.
2016/12/16 19:46:30
Sanderxpander
I've solved drifting using Melodyne in standalone mode but I don't know if it can be done from within Sonar. In standalone, after the whole tempo map is calculated, you can tell Melodyne to straighten out any variations. I wish this were more closely integrated into Sonar. In Ableton all you do is drag the file into your project and it already does it, even if you sometimes have to fix small mistakes.
2016/12/17 12:08:45
joey90405
WOW indeed, again, i have to thank everyone for such fabulous advice.
i will be working on this for a while now.
i will consider this solved
thanks so much for taking the time.
jp
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