• SONAR
  • So if Cakewalk (or Anderton) were to do some videos, what would you want to see? (p.3)
2016/12/14 19:33:03
Magic Russ
Maybe every three months or so put together a video covering the new features that came out in that time period.
2016/12/14 19:54:17
abacab
I was considering the new user experience again and something occurred to me.
 
How many differing background levels of knowledge may exist among new users?  Where to begin to address them and bring them up to speed on pre-requisite knowledge?  Whose job is it?  How do you create one educational tool that addresses all of them???
 
1. New computer users, how savvy are you in configuring a new PC, or setting one up for real-time audio apps?
2. New musicians, just want to write a new song, practice my instrument, etc...
3. New DAW users, where do I plug in the mic and guitar?
4. New Sonar users, I could do this in [Cubase, Live, StudioOne, Logic, Bitwig, Reaper, Pro Tools] now where the f*&%$ is this in Sonar?
5. Just got it for my birthday, my husband/wife thought it was cool ...
6. I wanna make beats!
 
Disclaimer: This was not intended to be harsh on new users, but just a humorous look at the attitudes or assumptions some have about oversimplifying the needs of beginners. It's not that simple ...
2016/12/15 00:44:09
Kamikaze
I would like cakewalk to (not Craig) to produce a video on Staff Editing. I've never seen one do anything other than gloss over this element. It still remains at the top of the features page.
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Features#start
But I've never seen a proper video from anyone Cakewalk, Groove of SWA that tackles this option.
 
I have lost faith that anyone at cakewalk ever uses this section (never mind knows how to code it), so have no investment in it. I think that sitting down and showing how to use it will make them develop their own feature requests and enhancements, being they have shown no interest in listening to ours.
 
Video would ideally show how to to deal with both editing performed data, and manually inputting notes. Incluude Transposition, re-harmonisation, triplets, timing changes (4/4 to 2/4 for example) and key changes as well as all the menu options. The music would include lots of different note lengths. 
2016/12/15 07:05:33
patm300e
+1 for new song.  Start out by making the thing downloadable (or install through command center.
Initial project would have the tracks set up as just what was recorded no effects, just simple audio at first to start.  Then the next step maybe would be to add MIDI.  Take the two tracks and show getting a basic Mix still NO EFFECTS!
 
Use THIS project that everyone has to show short videos on how to do things.  At this point, Craig's Big Book of Tips:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FYI-The-Big-Book-of-SONAR-Tips-is-Now-Available-Heres-the-Contents-m3524871.aspx
could possibly be adapted for use with the baseline project.  (THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!  but a whole lot of work!)
 
Or the project could expand in different directions:
One branch could show the project expanding using Groove Clips.  Another could show the addition of live drums/percussion.  All the while making the RAW tracks available for download.
 
No effects come into play until a really nice basic mix is set up (maybe including patch points and aux tracks).
Include setting up busses, routing etc.
 
I know this is a lofty dream, but getting everyone on the same baseline of recorded and MIDI tracks is key. 
That way everyone should be able to see what is being done to the tracks and more importantly WHY and how they may be able to apply it to what they are doing.
 
Just my 2 cents...
 
 
2016/12/15 08:27:12
gswitz
Touch related demos.
2016/12/15 09:29:59
Anderton
Keep those ideas coming.
 
The idea of taking a single song and using it as a baseline is really smart. The biggest obstacle I see to that is...what if some people don't like the song? Hearing it over and over again might drive them insane.
 
However...what might work even better is to have a single song that demonstrates several related things, then move on to another song that shows other things. For example the first one could have vocals and therefore demonstrate comping and how to get great vocal sounds, as well as how to mix to support a vocal. Then a more EDM piece could show creating a song with the Matrix View, converting that to track view, adding loops, and temp-synched processing.
 
As I said...keep those ideas coming! I just wish I had more time but I'll see what I can do...
2016/12/15 10:45:07
abacab
+1 to one (or several) songs used to demonstrate useful techniques!
2016/12/15 20:22:06
BJN
I got to say that Kenny Gioia's  Reaper Explained (free so too his Reaper Mainia) and the ones he does for Protools is a benchmark of video teaching; Short step by step, repeated tutorials showing of the tools, tips and tricks.
The style of Kenny Gioia is perfect and his un assuming matter fact clearly precise accent like Mr Wolf in Pulp Fiction is a winner. LOL            
                                 
 Whereas alot of the short cuts already exist in Sonar and much of pain has been done for you by cakewalk, plus the look, the included soft synths and Pro Channel really make Sonar the more advanced and far more user friendly DAW but it has its complexities and advanced features under the hood and the ease of use still needs to be learned.
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Please don't make the mistake of explaining while doing nothing on the screen or talking too much or having what version is the fastest races.
Don't make the mistake of selling the tool, tip or short cut or Sonar or other content to the viewer who already is in need as he is watching it; in other words a tutorial is not a promo video to wit there are already too many that sell and don't show or actually explain for use.
 
Do not underestimate the power of simplicity! Like in music all flash and overly busy talks to no one.
Here is the mind set. The person is watching the tutorial in his lunch hour at work and that night he is going to apply what he learned from the Tutorial.
If he can do it without referencing the video again you are brilliant. If he trys to do it and is happy references the video once or twice at the most you are awesome.
 
Keep the videos to the length of a 60's hit single 2 mins and 40 sec or there abouts.
Show, demonstrate without any extraneous chatter.  
Use very stable camera orientations, only very gentle zooms and slow highlights including mouse movements.
Repeat the instructions as though the person will never see the video again.
Impart the knowledge to him so that he gets what to do from the video and can go to the bomb and defuse it. LOL That is about the magnitude of the instruction.
 
We all have different needs and approaches to how we use our DAWs so to take us through someone's penchant for how they do it is a video in itself but separate from instructional videos.
 
If you take Craig's Friday Tools,Tips and Shortcuts and cull them down to basics and consider the very new user first, you will win!
You will have a comprehensive series and a league of users who are brought up to being Power users!
If there already exists a video how to do it; I can tell you it is a video that shows off a function and doesnt really break it down for a green user.
I am a Sonar user since S6 and I still only can do very basic audio recording and mixing on X2. The long way automation etc and audio editing the bomb goes off LOL. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2016/12/15 21:18:57
telecharge
Personally, I'd like to see Craig do some EDM w/ Sonar videos.
 
Also, I think Cakewalk could do a better job of promoting the resources they've already produced. I pointed a new Sonar Steam Edition user to Sonar University just the other day.
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONAR-University
2016/12/15 21:35:34
dwardzala
Sonar University was a great resource for the previous versions.  While a lot of the content still applies, they could stand to be refreshed a little.
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