Does no one do "Delete Special" and select delete hole?
 

robert_e_bone
Does it work if you put some data in one of the tracks in the measures during the 'hole section'?
 
I thought it would allow the collapsing of a hole, IF data was present.
 

This is correct. While I look forward to Sony Vegas-style ripple editing (which I hope is the model Cakewalk chooses for a great way to do ripple editing), you can Delete Hole as you would expect but there are two constraints.
 
1. As Bob mentioned, as long as there is any data in audio tracks where you want to "delete hole" (and you select that data type type in the Cut Special dialog), Delete Hole works.
2. If a MIDI note extends over the split, the MIDI track will not shift properly. You need a new note-on to occur at the beginning of the region.
 
However I also agree that cutting the two-track mix is the way to go. Back in the days of tape, that's how "radio edits" were made to shorten longer cuts.
 
 

I've been filling the holes with any clip before doing the delete. It's a workaround I deploy on a frequent basis, so I can't wait for the ripple editing to be added. I can't think of a use case for the current process

Inversely, I would like to be able to add empty measures in the middle of a song for when I am making some arrangement changes. I have had situations where I recorded a large number of tracks and finally realize that I need to either lengthen/shorten an existing section or add a new section entirely.

mckool
Inversely, I would like to be able to add empty measures in the middle of a song for when I am making some arrangement changes. 

1. Place the Now time where you want to add the space.
2. Split the tracks at that time.
3. Project > Insert Time/Measures.
 
Same constraint as above regarding MIDI notes.
 
 

Roughly half the time that doesn't work for me either (or didn't so I've since given up doing it that way). I'm really looking forward to the ripple editing upgrade.

This is a great idea to cut mixed stereo track and not multitrack. I may have to do it this time for lack of better way to do it. But if you think about it- not all parts would align- some would need a small bridge due to key change, may be slight change of first measure of the connecting parts and other things.
 
I did not remember seeing Delete Special in the past. Not sure I understand how it works. It offers to delete events in the track, markers, meter/key changes, but in what track and in what part of the song? It does not offer to specify that I want to do track 5, between measure 16 and 32. So how would it know what to delete? And then- delete what hole? Would I have to do it one track at a time? Is it based on what selected/ So if I select a track and then select from 16 to 32, then it going to delete that part of that track?
 
Also I don't understand what you mean by filling the holes with the clips. You mean- if I have 100 tracks and only 5 tracks filled with clips, I will have to fill all 95 tracks with some kind of data to make it "close the whole? Do you mean the clip has to be in that hole, or do you mean that clip should be somewhere in general? I have many tracks that may have 2 measures effect playing one time per song which takes whole track but it only few measures. So I would have to put another clip in to the hole between 16 and 32 to make that part close? Thank you.

gustabo
Does no one do "Delete Special" and select delete hole?
 

We all do, but it has been broken for some time in that if there is no data in the selected area on a specific track the delete hole does not work.

Please also save your editted project as a new project (just to state the obvious). If you are planning to alter portions, you can strategically bounce the tracks you know you will not alter into one track so you can cut down on track count. If you can get it from 100 tracks to less than 10, edits will be simpler.

Having to put "something somewhere" in that hole is accurate, so having to do that on only 5 tracks vs. 95 tracks is less painful.

slartabartfast
This is unfortunately a tragedy of the SONAR development process. The ability to remove a chunk of data from a multi-track project and close the gap seamlessly (what other DAW's term ripple editing)  is such an essential editing process that the failure to be able to do this as a simple procedure has seriously impacted the utility of the DAW. Prior versions had a delete space that came close, and is now less than fully functional. There are kludges that will allow you to accomplish what you want, and I assume that the programming involved is not trivial, or the problem would never have surfaced. Nevertheless, the priority of fixing this, or more accurately making the original concept work as expected, cannot be underestimated. We all look forward to the success of the Cakewalk team in this effort. In the meantime, we should rejoice that they have let us change the colors of the interface.

It would be an excellent first step towards what's in Cubase and Arranger tracks, and I believe StudioOne scratchpad, or chunks in DigitalPerformer.
 
Split and paste freely över a full project tracks width, including taking tempotracks, automation, splitted clips automation parts.
It also has options for how to manage longer midi notes, if to create a new note on other end, or just cut the note.
 
If to do it I would also like to see more options, like if to keep full clips unchanged when splitting, or split right through the spot. The idea with allowing clips to be held together would be that drums, for one, often have some leading strokes before drum part really starts - a crash and a tom and similar. Would really be nice to allow each splitpoint with such options.
 
Don't forget to vote for Arranger tracks in Features and Ideas....